Good column

[fishermccann]

I will tell you a little story about inequality. I worked 32 years in long tem care. Women residents were able to refuse having their bath given to them by a male PSW, (5% of workforce). The men residents were given a bath by female PSW's ( 95% of workforce), even if they objected. How fair is that?

[oaknut]

I will tell you a little story about inequality. I worked 32 years in long tem care. Women residents were able to refuse having their bath given to them by a male PSW, (5% of workforce). The men residents were given a bath by female PSW's ( 95% of workforce), even if they objected. How fair is that?

What kind of man would rather be scrubbed by another man? Other than the obvious it would be a rare occasion. Does not really matter. Muslim or not. Women tend to hide it and men like to show it off.

[fishermccann]

Some residents did like to be bathed by the opposite sex , the point I was trying to make was, the men were given no choice, even against their objections. If a women did not want a male PSW to give them a bath, then they did not have to, accommodations were made.

[C.A. in TO]

They do not do it willingly even if they say that publicly. They do it in fear of their oppressive masters who would beat them into submission. The niqab does hide cuts and bruises though.

I wonder just how many of the people here have ever actually had a conversation with a woman wearing niqab? Or even a less modest hijab? Because I have. Many times. And all of them have told me about the positive aspects for themselves.

Have the discussion about laws but please don't presume to know how a Muslim woman feels.

[terrym]

Some residents did like to be bathed by the opposite sex , the point I was trying to make was, the men were given no choice, even against their objections. If a women did not want a male PSW to give them a bath, then they did not have to, accommodations were made.

Do you really equate showing your face to confirm identity to being bathed in a hospice or patted down by a police officer? The government isn't saying to never wear the sacks they are saying take it off for a couple seconds to prove who you are and you are eligible for all the rights and protections we are about to give you. If those rights and obligations aren't good enough there are planes departing every day to countries who expect women to wear a mask. They won't be allowed to do most things every woman does here like drive, vote or be educated but the choice is there. Canada won't jail or assault you for "not" wearing the sack but the other country ..........Hhhmmmm
Why is it do you think that they don't force men to wear a Niqab?

[terrym]

These women do not feel they are unequal, who are you to say they are? They want to wear it. It is not against the law to wear it.

Your hatred of Harper and everything Conservative really convinces you that the way these women are treated in countries where the Niqab originated is desired by them? Battered women regularly return to the man who beats them. Ask any LEO who attends a domestic and see how many times the battered woman turns on the police when they cuff the agressor. You will always find battered women to say they deserved it and don't feel wronged. Your arguments show no empathy for those women who have been abused for generations and don't know any different or dare speak out. If you beat a dog he will still obey your commands. How "progressive" of you.
I will repeat my question: Why don't they make men wear them? And other than this faith what other women on the planet feel the need to conceal their faces in public? What possible healthy reason could there be to justify this behaviour? And if the reasoning is that men are going to not be able to control themselves by merely seeing a woman's face should we not be suspicious of these men as potential agressors of women here? Can men with that mentality be allowed here? Why don't men wear them?

[terrym]

It is a woman's right to choose whether she wears one or not . It is not your right to tell her she can't.

Nobody is telling them they can't wear a Niqab. They are only saying to show their face to confirm identity. After doing so they are free to cover up. If they were to apply for a job that required a hard hat or safety boots we would enforce that also. This is also why when some Sikhs were fighting mandatory helmet laws for riding motorcycles it was wrong also. Religion doesn't override safety. Proving identity is a cornerstone of providing safety in a world full of people who would murder women and children in the name of religion.

[yellow dog]

Your parents and my parents did not come to Canada and expect Canada to change its laws to suit them. They assimilated to the Canadian way of life.

If part of your religion contravenes law then that part of your religion cannot be executed. It's that damn simple. It needs to be this way.

I am all for and support that they need to uncover there face when needed especially when they are becoming a Canadian citizen or being pulled over by the police for speeding etc. Yes you are correct my parents assimilated into Canadian society and other Canadians adopted my parents culture as well. It works both ways and is not one way or nothing. I really don't care if they are dressed in all black from head to toe with two slits to see out of. But in saying that if they are asked by a person of authority to remove the head covering to prove their identity such as a police officer, border guard, judge, school principal, bank manager etc they need to. I just can't imagine living in a society where every women is covered up and thinking its a normal way of life. Not seeing a persons face during a conversation in times of sadness, laughter , joy or birth of a child would seem very cold.

[terrym]

I am all for and support that they need to uncover there face when needed especially when they are becoming a Canadian citizen or being pulled over by the police for speeding etc. Yes you are correct my parents assimilated into Canadian society and other Canadians adopted my parents culture as well. It works both ways and is not one way or nothing. I really don't care if they are dressed in all black from head to toe with two slits to see out of. But in saying that if they are asked by a person of authority to remove the head covering to prove their identity such as a police officer, border guard, judge, school principal, bank manager etc they need to. I just can't imagine living in a society where every women is covered up and thinking its a normal way of life. Not seeing a persons face during a conversation in times of sadness, laughter , joy or birth of a child would seem very cold.

That's because they don't care what the women think or feel.

[Big Jack]

I am all for and support that they need to uncover there face when needed especially when they are becoming a Canadian citizen or being pulled over by the police for speeding etc. Yes you are correct my parents assimilated into Canadian society and other Canadians adopted my parents culture as well. It works both ways and is not one way or nothing. I really don't care if they are dressed in all black from head to toe with two slits to see out of. But in saying that if they are asked by a person of authority to remove the head covering to prove their identity such as a police officer, border guard, judge, school principal, bank manager etc they need to. I just can't imagine living in a society where every women is covered up and thinking its a normal way of life. Not seeing a persons face during a conversation in times of sadness, laughter , joy or birth of a child would seem very cold.

You can see my point and I appreciate that. Really that's it. I don't care what a person wears either, I simply expect them to live by the same rules I do.

I also see your point about multiculturalism.