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April 4th, 2015, 09:54 AM
#11
Has too much time on their hands
this should have been left to a jury .not just some crown ,,,this is a plain case of carless use of a firearm ending in the death of a young family man .this is why we have jurys ...Dutch
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April 4th, 2015 09:54 AM
# ADS
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April 4th, 2015, 10:05 AM
#12
Difference being, it happened on the rez.
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April 4th, 2015, 10:41 AM
#13

Originally Posted by
dutchhunter
this should have been left to a jury .not just some crown ,,,this is a plain case of carless use of a firearm ending in the death of a young family man .this is why we have jurys ...Dutch
Absolutely. I would think that there is easily enough evidence here to put it before a jury.
"The language of dogs and birds teaches you your own language."
-- Jim Harrison (1937 - 2016)
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April 4th, 2015, 10:46 AM
#14

Originally Posted by
jaycee
It is over and done with "finally" and there should be " no second guessing " the situation on this forum.
Stan Jonathan has been judged by many here , let him get on with his life !
If it was your family member I wonder if you would feel the same!
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April 4th, 2015, 04:15 PM
#15
Two sets of laws in this country
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April 4th, 2015, 11:32 PM
#16
This Crown attorney has made a poor decision here. There were two charges laid here and any Crown attorney could prove the careless use charge. Sad message being sent here.
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April 5th, 2015, 05:07 AM
#17

Originally Posted by
welsh
Absolutely. I would think that there is easily enough evidence here to put it before a jury.
Agree..the city of Brantford should be asking if they are being properly served by George Orsini as Crown Attorney.
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April 5th, 2015, 07:43 AM
#18

Originally Posted by
MikePal
Agree..the city of Brantford should be asking if they are being properly served by George Orsini as Crown Attorney.
He was charged with 2 offences, " criminal negligence causing death" with a good lawyer could be beat, but "careless use" charge should have never been dropped. Looks like a hidden agenda here.
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April 5th, 2015, 08:37 AM
#19
I don't think the law is very complicated here. A conviction would hinge on the element of intent, and for crimknal negligence the Crown doesn't have to prove what was in Johnathan's mind -- only that his conduct departed from a reasonable standard of care in the circumstances.
It is not a defence to say you thought it was safe. The test is objective, so the fact of an accident puts a burden on the accused to show that it happened despite reasonable care.
This one would be a real head scratcher, if you didn't pause to consider who Jonathan is....
"The language of dogs and birds teaches you your own language."
-- Jim Harrison (1937 - 2016)
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April 5th, 2015, 08:55 AM
#20
Decisions to prosecute (or not) are not made by a sole Crown Attorney on a whim without input from the Crown Law Office,the Attorney General, The Office of the Chief Justice all the way to the federal Ministery of Justice. All of this must come together to arrive at the same conclusion before the motion to dismiss is heard. This is no easy feat and certainly should never be construed as a slam-dunk. If they all say there's no evidence to prosecute,then,there was no evidence of criminal intent which needs to present. Obviously,there wasn't,despite the legal analyses of the armchair lawyers,here.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....