Breeding Dogs

[last5oh_302]

You appologize for being obtuse, and then get right back up on your soapbox again. Ok, we get it, you're a snob when it comes to breeding, and think that every breeder out there should be registered, and register their pups.

How about this little scenario, which obviously eludes you...

There are a number of outdoorsmen, and dedicated "dog guys", who actually engage in breeding their dogs to help each other out. Believe it or not, it actually is a lot like that in the US, and a few guys up here do it too.

My little black lab female came from a friend who bred his female once, to another friends lab. No, she doesn't have papers, and since i have no interest in breeding her, nor running her in field trials or any other "sanctioned" event...why do I care? Did my friend make money on it? Probably broke even considering his time, effort, vet bills etc. But I got an American Labrador, with both sire and dam beautiful hunters, and at 7 months, she's shaping up to be every bit the dog her parents were.

Save your hang ups and stereotypes for another crowd.

You don't get it either. Sad.

Go work in a rescue or pound for a while. Perhaps only then you'll be enlightened but until so, keep your head buried in the sand.

[Bluebulldog]

You don't get it either. Sad.

Go work in a rescue or pound for a while. Perhaps only then you'll be enlightened but until so, keep your head buried in the sand.

Why should I? Oh, and I've read your posts just fine, I get where you're coming from.

You seem to think that any non-registered guy out there that breeds a dog is a nefarious backyard breeder, who is out for profit and doesn't care about his dogs or where they go. That quite simply isn't the case. You're bringing a very narrow view to this conversation.

My wife volunteers at the local SPCA, and while many of the dogs that come in are very sad stories. There are lots that came from "reputable breeders" as well.

The ignorance is in being so narrow minded that you can't see that there are good and bad on both sides of that particular fence.

Now please, and I'm serious. Explain to me how my situation is "sad"?

[last5oh_302]

Why should I? Oh, and I've read your posts just fine, I get where you're coming from.

You seem to think that any non-registered guy out there that breeds a dog is a nefarious backyard breeder, who is out for profit and doesn't care about his dogs or where they go. That quite simply isn't the case. You're bringing a very narrow view to this conversation.

My wife volunteers at the local SPCA, and while many of the dogs that come in are very sad stories. There are lots that came from "reputable breeders" as well.

The ignorance is in being so narrow minded that you can't see that there are good and bad on both sides of that particular fence.

Now please, and I'm serious. Explain to me how my situation is "sad"?

You don't even know what a "reputable" breeder is. I've said my bit. Carry on with your backyard breeding and enjoy, BBD. You're part of the problem.

BTW, a reputable breeder wants their pups/dogs back if the owners can't keep them for whatever reason, so no, your wife won't see dogs at the pound from a "reputable" breeder.

[Deerslayer99]

Bluebulldog has hit the nail on the head here for my situation and i will not be posting anymore to this thread as it has turned into a show once again......thanks for the advice all......

[Bluebulldog]

You don't even know what a "reputable" breeder is. I've said my bit. Carry on with your backyard breeding and enjoy, BBD. You're part of the problem.

BTW, a reputable breeder wants their pups/dogs back if the owners can't keep them for whatever reason, so no, your wife won't see dogs at the pound from a "reputable" breeder.

And most usually do get involved if the owner chose not to.

again...I ask, since you seem to feel so strongly on this, why am I "sad"? And what problem am I a part of?

I don't know if you are a hunter, since I don't recall seeing your posts on any of the forums I've been on, but just an FYI, this "problem" you refer to, was pretty much how things were done before elitist kennel clubs got involved. Hunters would breed litters of good producing dogs, mainly in the interest of furthering the breed, and continuing the character traits that they found appealing.

I guess you'd consider it "sacrilege" if a guy bred a lab to a GSP if both sire and dam were outstanding hunters? Yet, in Germany even until the middle of the last century, that's what took place. Open breeding for characteristic. It's one of the reasons why some of the german blood lines don't have as many genetic issues, since it was closed long after many other breeds were.

[Bluebulldog]

Bluebulldog has hit the nail on the head here for my situation and i will not be posting anymore to this thread as it has turned into a show once again......thanks for the advice all......

Evidently some posters think $1000 and a piece of paper will make a better dog owner.

[last5oh_302]

There are three ways to get a dog. Rescue, adopt, or buy from a breeder that follows a code of ethics. The rest are backyard breeders.

[Bluebulldog]

There are three ways to get a dog. Rescue, adopt, or buy from a breeder that follows a code of ethics. The rest are backyard breeders.

According to you....but I guess since you're on the soapbox you must be the authority.

You know what? Little back checking....I couldn't recall you posting anything about hunting or fishing, at all.....and there it is, going all the way back to OCT 2014, not a single post out of you regarding hunting or fishing. A few posts on ATVs, a few posts on vehicles, and an exceptionally high number of dog related posts....most of which, highly opinionated, and not terribly respectful of anyone that doesn't share your narrow view on things. Almost like you're a lurker for an agency like the SPCA.

Sorry friend, but your credibility is just about nil with me. This is a forum for outdoors pursuits, and it doesn't really appear that you have much purpose here. Going to report to mods and see what their take is.

[last5oh_302]

According to you....but I guess since you're on the soapbox you must be the authority.

No, I didn't make all that up on my own, but I did learn, and now understand the error in my past ways.

[werner.reiche]

The whole "reputable breeder" thing is akin to an "honorable senator"... some may be, but hard to tell which are which and which are not.

By the way - where does one buy there "reputable breeder" card from anyway??? Or how does one join this club???

I'd guess it is by moving up from being a hobby breeder.

I know of a couple of breeders who have advertised in the past in OOD and have been mentioned on the forum here in positive posts which do things which aren't quite what you'd expect from a "reputable breeder" including getting suspended by the CKC.

Give the guy a break - 10 years from now he might be one of these "reputable breeders" we speak of.