Outfitters Moose Tag Allocation Artifcle

[JoePa]

Don't get mad at me guys but - all I hear is a lot of hollering and complaining but no action - do things like we do down here when the game commission isn't doing things right - we do more than just about it - a lot of hunters don't like the way deer are being managed so an organization took the commission to court - then the hunters started getting their representatives into the act which the commission didn't like - this got the commission's ears - join organizations that put some power behind your ing and pressure your politicians to do what you want - just look at the NRA and what it can do when enough people get involved -

[SK33T3R]

Don't get mad at me guys but - all I hear is a lot of hollering and complaining but no action - do things like we do down here when the game commission isn't doing things right - we do more than just about it - a lot of hunters don't like the way deer are being managed so an organization took the commission to court - then the hunters started getting their representatives into the act which the commission didn't like - this got the commission's ears - join organizations that put some power behind your ing and pressure your politicians to do what you want - just look at the NRA and what it can do when enough people get involved -

Yes Joe you're right

We live in a country of sheep! ... lotsa of baaaaaing .. then we get fleeced!

The only way I can ever see our game population ever being properly managed is to have a governing board consisting of equal MNR policymakers and and equal representation of hunters. (and another independent board for fishing) Policy and changes would be brought up, discussed and voted upon. The vote will carry.

It's ironic that hunters and fishermen are the only ones with the cash influx and we really have no say whatsoever!

DID I forget to say WTF!

[Dude Bro]

Outfitter tags are determined a full year in advance. When the MNR determined the 2014 resident allocation, they also determined the 2015 outfitter allocation. This gives them time to market their hunts. Hard to market a hunt when you don't know how many tags you'll get.

In 55B, when they cut the bull tags to 0, Turner's Camp at Round Lake, an outfitter, still had bull tags.

One thing I think OFAH needs to demand from the MNR is transparency - the number of outfitters tags being allocated in each WMU should be published in the regs with other tag allocations.

[chris lavoie]

Tag allocation for outfitters is going to be down by 15% in 2016. Announced at our outfitters meeting.

[Ahuntr300]

All I know is that moose hunting is fast becoming a sport for the rich who can afford the escalating outfitter rates for moose tags. The less tags there are the more demand for the outfitter tags and the higher the price will go.

If you have already not figured it out boys, its not about protecting the moose herd, it all about money - it always was.

With the exchange rates being so high the only ones that are going to be able to afford the "packages" are the Non-Residents.

Sad that foreigners are going to be able to hunt our moose and us Canadian taxpayers will not.

[redd foxx]

Turn them in!!! The outfitters cannot sell or put a monetary value on the tags. They can be charged and if convicted get their tags suspended!!

[trimmer21]

Turn them in!!! The outfitters cannot sell or put a monetary value on the tags. They can be charged and if convicted get their tags suspended!!

It's simply not as cut-and-dried as that,redd. Outfitters have charged one rate for accomodations with no tag and another higher rate for accomodations and guiding fees with tag(s) ever since the tag system was implemented. There's always been a "fine line" they've been allowed to walk. As for turning Moose hunting into a "rich man's" sport,I disagree. If outfitters keep jacking their rates up,eventually,they'll simply price themselves out of the market,leaving only a very few "well-healed-full service "outfitters left to service the entire industry. Besides,why would resident hunters pay exorbitantly high fees when they can hunt wherever there's tags available for the price of gas and a week's holidays?

[Foxx]

When they get their allotted tags for free , they can afford to lower their prices . I personally was at an outfitters camp a few years ago when the outfitter came right to our cabin and asked if we would be interested in another tag for $ 1000. There was only 9 days left in the season and I guess he wanted to get his money out of it rather than be stuck with it . We told him no and that it was illegal , he just laughed and said he would find someone that would buy it .

[Ahuntr300]

When they get their allotted tags for free , they can afford to lower their prices . I personally was at an outfitters camp a few years ago when the outfitter came right to our cabin and asked if we would be interested in another tag for $ 1000. There was only 9 days left in the season and I guess he wanted to get his money out of it rather than be stuck with it . We told him no and that it was illegal , he just laughed and said he would find someone that would buy it .

I believe that if they do not use the assigned tags, they may/do not get them again the following year, so they become desperate to sell it or assign it to someone. I know of one instance where an outfitter could not sell one tag and gifted it to a long time customer group that came back year after year so it could be used for this reason.

Also it's clear tags cannot be sold on their own and must be part of a hunt package which includes staying at the outfitter lodging. Within that scenario, I believe the hunt package cost can be adjusted for the inclusion of tags. So a cabin for a week could be $1500 and with a tag it could be $3000, so guess how much the tag costs.

[redd foxx]

So a cabin for a week could be $1500 and with a tag it could be $3000, so guess how much the tag costs.

Tag costs $1500 . Turn them in....it's illegal.