Bill C-231

[greatwhite]

Gilroy will deny this. This is just the start. Seems I was correct about everything I have said. Gilroy was wrong as usual.

Introduced by Senate Liberal Celine Hervieux-Payette, (or is that Liberal Senator?) today.

I oppose the Conservative philosophy and the gun lobby’s belief that better access to firearms ensures better security. It's just the opposite. However, I respect the hunters and sports shooters. This bill promotes the activities of hunting and sport shooting while strengthening the security of Canadians.

Through my bill, titled “Strenghtening Canadians’ Security and Promoting Hunting and recreational Shooting Act”, I intend to accomplish the following:

• overhaul the current firearms program by prohibiting all firearms in Canada except hunting firearms;
• redefine the three classes of firearms by making all firearms illegal except hunting firearms and by localizing the prohibition of restricted firearms (circumscribed firearms);
• limit the definition of hunting firearms to the arms that really used for the purposes of hunting;
• replace restricted firearms class with a circumscribed firearms class and the arms of this class will be only usable at or in shooting clubs;
• replace the registration certificate with an inscription certificate;
• reinforce the role of the RCMP and the Commissioner of Firearms under a statutory provision.
• limit the transport of circumscribed firearms to transporters, thus controlling the movement of firearms in Canada; and
• undo all the provisions of Bill C-42, except for the prohibition on obtaining a licence to possess and acquire firearms following a domestic violence conviction.

In 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled unanimously in R. v. Wiles that in Canada to acquire or possess a firearm is a "privilege" and not a right.


http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublicati...3166&File=41#4

http://www.parl.gc.ca/legisinfo/Bill...billId=8043165

[MikePal]

I just noticed that the Bill,as tabled, has a nice 'Short Title"..who's she kidding

An Act to amend the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code and the Defence Production Act


Short Title: Strengthening Canadians’ Security and Promoting Hunting and Recreational Shooting Act



Sponsor Sen. Céline Hervieux-Payette

http://www.parl.gc.ca/legisinfo/Bill...billId=8043165

[trimmer21]

I just noticed that the Bill,as tabled, has a nice 'Short Title";

That's typical Liberal bafflegab. An Act to everything,BUT.........

[Maximus44]

What part was promoting hunting and shooting?

[greatwhite]

So ban Lee-enfields, Spring fields. Do they mean Calibers or guns or what. This statements essentially mean almost every single firearm in existence would be banned.

"overhaul the current firearms program by prohibiting all firearms in Canada except hunting firearms;"

[Fishy Wishy]

Who determines "hunting firearms"? If I choose to hunt with an AK-47 can that be a hunting firearm?

I also noticed references in the bill made to crossbows.

[trimmer21]

Here's another golden opportunity to peg the gun control agenda squarely on the shoulders of The Liberal Party of Canada. This should shut the mouths of the Liberal supporters that often state that there isn't a gun control agenda as a matter of party policy. This proves that they're dead wrong. Every time a Liberal opens their mouth,they stick their feet in it....both of them.....sideways.....boots and all. It also proves that the Liberal are totally unfit to govern.....still.

[terrym]

This Senator is a politician but she doesn't have to worry about being reelected so she can say anything she wants. Having said that let's not kid ourselves here. The very real possibility of having a coalition government soon with the Libs & Dippers as a government will impact law abiding gun owners and shooters swiftly and negatively. Trudough and Mulcair are anti gun. The Liberal party has been on a quiet mission to disarm private citizens for years now. If they were to have the backup of the NDP voting base it would be a very real problem.
In the end given what has been exposed recently about the Senate this body has no legitimate right to even think about proposing legislation. I don't think that is their mandate in the first place but even if it was they have proven to be corrupt , ineffective and nothing but a constitutional leftover that has no actual use. The Somber second thought is ridiculous as most have no real legal expertise and little to none constitutional law credentials. They are nothing but party hacks and fundraisers who exist because of an outdated system. Senate power fluctuates with the time in power by parties and retirement rate. Right now Harper could appoint 20 senators and slant power for years regardless of who is in government. Hopefully he fills those vacant seats before the election as he is almost sure to be removed. If not by vote then by coalition non confidence.

[terrym]

Who determines "hunting firearms"? If I choose to hunt with an AK-47 can that be a hunting firearm?

I also noticed references in the bill made to crossbows.

Pretty sure an AK47 is not legal to hunt with already. It's either restricted or prohibited as I think they can be switched to full auto bursts.

[Wahoo]

Right now Harper could appoint 20 senators and slant power for years regardless of who is in government. Hopefully he fills those vacant seats before the election as he is almost sure to be removed. If not by vote then by coalition non confidence.

No doubt it is the million dollar question, 'What is he going to do?' It would (hopefully) insulate us from pie in the sky feel good legislation for the foreseeable future.