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    Bottom line imo is this.

    The unions ( and many of their members, but certainly not all) will have no-one to blame but themselves. The problems are growing, not diminishing. Healthcare is also under assault as are many other things and that's going to get worse as boomers put even more strains on it and theres no or little $$.

    It staggers me, that people can't see what's coming, what life is really like for those in private and the "common" man. Especially those without Pensions.

    For many years, people refused to see, to listen. I think (could be wrong) it's inevitable and it is just now beginning.
    /shrug

    For Teachers, who no argument have tough jobs, but who work roughly 9 months of year and get paid really well (relatively/comparatively speaking) and have a Pension...
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    Rocket science it ain't. Smaller class sizes=more teachers=higher pay=higher union dues......and THAT is the bottom line.
    If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....

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    What ever happened to being happy to have a great job with a long summer vacation a march break and a Christmas break to boot ,,plus a great pention .thy got nothing to complain about as far as I can see ,,Dutch

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    Dutch we don't know for sure about these purported 3% and cost of living claims. (smells bad though)
    True or not doesn't really matter.

    We don't have money for things like
    Healthcare
    Infrastruture
    much more.

    We do have private taking it on the chin (It being a number of things)

    As Trimmer pointed out.
    Class size impacts the number of full and part time teachers.
    Shame the province is up to it's eyeballs in debt, doesn't have $ for more, as or other important things or is taxing people up the ying/yang.

    Why not?
    No one to blame but themselves (Them being......)

    So this strike, or wide spread job actions......
    Now if true and it turns out the EFTO has its head stuck in the trough yet again, especially given the real world.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow dog View Post
    Oh those poor teachers they suffer so much and work so much harder than the rest of us.

    Absolutely!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBen View Post
    Dutch we don't know for sure about these purported 3% and cost of living claims. (smells bad though)
    True or not doesn't really matter.

    ...
    Now if true and it turns out the EFTO has its head stuck in the trough yet again, especially given the real world.......
    It's way past high time we cut the heads off at the neck while they suck from that trough. LOL
    If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....

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    Hello all: To get the ball roiling, I am anti union, have been an Army guy for 29 yrs, never had one. BUT, the flip side, I am married to a teacher. So here is the teacher side of the story. This is third party, and as a man, we all know I only listen to less than half of what she says.

    It is not the money!!!!, It is about class size, and the prov. involvement with daily class activity. As like the rest of us, thay have lost sick days and severance, we got paid out, they did not. It was just gone, and a cap of ten days. And a twist added, if the go over their allotted 10 sicks days, they get a reduced pay any days after that.

    They are paid on a 10 month year, 190 working days. The can either collect it all in 10 months, not draw UI during the summer, or take it over 12 months. During the last contract issue, last year, they had many items removed, first was the right to binding arbitration, the prov just walked away, passed a law sayiing it was illegal and ordered them back.

    The also had three days pay taken off their salary, and legal way to contest it. They have not had a raise in many years.

    Classsize: The current size is 21 kids elementary age. If there are special needs kids, they are sposed to have an EA(education assitant) per special needs kid. The purposed change would up the size to 30, and drop the EA. Save money. SO to walk a mile in them shoes, place yourselves in a class or 30 4 year olds, and have one in a wheelchair, and two with violent outbursts from any of the ailments. ADD, ADHA, Autism, etc.

    Teachers are all permitted to have at least one forty minute prep per day, to mark, plan and eat. The new purposal is to have the board dictate what they do on these preps. The biggest one is do coverage for the EA jobs that were cut. Second it to run sports, clubs, field trips all mandated by the management. Sounds like fun eh!!

    Report Cards: Every teacher has submitted grades/marks to the principal by the date demanded. It was a board decision to publish or not, but they have all the marks.

    My wife is currently attending the year end BBQ, where she is prepping/cooking/serving free food to all parents and kids. Oh, and she just worked a full day first.

    This entire new action from the prov is designed to drive out older teacher who are the top of the pay scale, one modeled after the Prov employee's union, to hire new teacher's at a lower scale, and do what they are told, just to keep a job.

    So, as I stated in the opening, NOT a union fan, but am tired of all the crap my wife is through.

    So to close, I will chastise most of the previous comments on the fact that they are all based on what the NEWS says, please, if you're gonna cast stones, get all the facts, not just what they want you to hear.

    Ian Thomson

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    Lots of painters out there....... using the same brush, (I guess its a roller now days) on all teachers isn't cool/right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrat View Post
    Hello all: To get the ball roiling, I am anti union, have been an Army guy for 29 yrs, never had one. BUT, the flip side, I am married to a teacher. So here is the teacher side of the story. This is third party, and as a man, we all know I only listen to less than half of what she says.

    It is not the money!!!!, It is about class size, and the prov. involvement with daily class activity. As like the rest of us, thay have lost sick days and severance, we got paid out, they did not. It was just gone, and a cap of ten days. And a twist added, if the go over their allotted 10 sicks days, they get a reduced pay any days after that.

    They are paid on a 10 month year, 190 working days. The can either collect it all in 10 months, not draw UI during the summer, or take it over 12 months. During the last contract issue, last year, they had many items removed, first was the right to binding arbitration, the prov just walked away, passed a law sayiing it was illegal and ordered them back.

    The also had three days pay taken off their salary, and legal way to contest it. They have not had a raise in many years.

    Classsize: The current size is 21 kids elementary age. If there are special needs kids, they are sposed to have an EA(education assitant) per special needs kid. The purposed change would up the size to 30, and drop the EA. Save money. SO to walk a mile in them shoes, place yourselves in a class or 30 4 year olds, and have one in a wheelchair, and two with violent outbursts from any of the ailments. ADD, ADHA, Autism, etc.

    Teachers are all permitted to have at least one forty minute prep per day, to mark, plan and eat. The new purposal is to have the board dictate what they do on these preps. The biggest one is do coverage for the EA jobs that were cut. Second it to run sports, clubs, field trips all mandated by the management. Sounds like fun eh!!

    Report Cards: Every teacher has submitted grades/marks to the principal by the date demanded. It was a board decision to publish or not, but they have all the marks.

    My wife is currently attending the year end BBQ, where she is prepping/cooking/serving free food to all parents and kids. Oh, and she just worked a full day first.

    This entire new action from the prov is designed to drive out older teacher who are the top of the pay scale, one modeled after the Prov employee's union, to hire new teacher's at a lower scale, and do what they are told, just to keep a job.

    So, as I stated in the opening, NOT a union fan, but am tired of all the crap my wife is through.

    So to close, I will chastise most of the previous comments on the fact that they are all based on what the NEWS says, please, if you're gonna cast stones, get all the facts, not just what they want you to hear.

    Ian Thomson
    Very insightful post. Thank you for pointing out the side of the story, of those who do the actual work.

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    Waterrat my children went to a private Christian School until grade eight and then later to a Catholic High School. Both my wife were very involved with this school early on as well as the other parents and teachers. I worked two jobs and my wife worked full time as well to pay the tuition. The teachers at this school were not high income earners but were content to have a job with a pension to retire on.
    These teachers did not have what the public system has in place and produced some of the brightest children with much less resources. Not only did we still have to pay taxes to go towards the public system we also had to pay tuition. Our choice yes and I am not complaining.

    I do not feel sorry for the picture you paint for the current situation the teachers are in because sooner or later this was going to happen. For many years the teachers were catered to and got everything handed to them by the Liberals. Sooner or later it was going to bite them in the arse and it will and has.

    Be thank ful your wife has a job.

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