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August 8th, 2015, 02:59 PM
#81
I know I am not that smart so that's why I ask questions....so here goes..... How would more money being put into the MNR help with the moose population? Would they do in vitro?
Reading through this thread and still don't know if we have a shortage of moose or shortage of moose counters(MNR Staff Members)... 
Personally I think it's the technology and exploding human population that is taking a toll on our wildlife....
Bears have been around a long time, wolf have been around a long time, moose have been around a long time.....winters were a lot worse in years past but they have always managed to maintain a stable/balanced population........
Human population has exploded and man's technology has increased so much more then our animal partners it only stands to reason more moose are taken today then years past.....
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August 8th, 2015 02:59 PM
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August 8th, 2015, 05:25 PM
#82
Has too much time on their hands
I got to agree with you there ...there is way more moose harvested today the 30 years ago for sure ,,,My two cents is we got to stop everybody from hunting cows and calfs for a few years and this means everybody ....if this brings the numbers back up then we will have a better idea what the problem is ,,,,,we have to start taking more wolfs out of the park and surrounding areas as well as get the spring bear hunt back up in full swing ,,,,No more special intrest groups harvesting animals without tags and numbers being regulated ,,we need a full count to see what is really going on with the moose pop and see what happens with two years of no calf and cow harvest ...if we do not start now ,well when ,,,,,,,,Dutch
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August 8th, 2015, 06:23 PM
#83
Originally Posted by
dutchhunter
I got to agree with you there ...there is way more moose harvested today the 30 years ago for sure ,,,My two cents is we got to stop everybody from hunting cows and calfs for a few years and this means everybody ....if this brings the numbers back up then we will have a better idea what the problem is ,,,,,we have to start taking more wolfs out of the park and surrounding areas as well as get the spring bear hunt back up in full swing ,,,,No more special intrest groups harvesting animals without tags and numbers being regulated ,,we need a full count to see what is really going on with the moose pop and see what happens with two years of no calf and cow harvest ...if we do not start now ,well when ,,,,,,,,Dutch
All good points. We should also introduce mandatory registration of moose kills. Interestingly in Quebec with similar geography and hunter populations they aren't as bad as us. They have always had a kill registry. I consider it the only way to have truly accurate data.
Last edited by terrym; August 8th, 2015 at 06:29 PM.
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August 8th, 2015, 06:31 PM
#84
What I would like to know is why does it seem that Ontario has the most mismanaged Natural resources.
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August 8th, 2015, 06:33 PM
#85
Originally Posted by
fratri
I know I am not that smart so that's why I ask questions....so here goes..... How would more money being put into the MNR help with the moose population? Would they do in vitro?
Reading through this thread and still don't know if we have a shortage of moose or shortage of moose counters(MNR Staff Members)...
Personally I think it's the technology and exploding human population that is taking a toll on our wildlife....
Bears have been around a long time, wolf have been around a long time, moose have been around a long time.....winters were a lot worse in years past but they have always managed to maintain a stable/balanced population........
Human population has exploded and man's technology has increased so much more then our animal partners it only stands to reason more moose are taken today then years past.....
Valid questions. The "technology" you mention Is the modern ATV. It has allowed more hunters to go in deeper And easier and that has to be the single biggest nail In the mooses coffin.
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August 8th, 2015, 06:34 PM
#86
Originally Posted by
greatwhite
What I would like to know is why does it seem that Ontario has the most mismanaged Natural resources.
Because every government uses wildlife as a political tool. They all do it, no party is better than another.
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August 8th, 2015, 07:53 PM
#87
Originally Posted by
terrym
Valid questions. The "technology" you mention Is the modern ATV. It has allowed more hunters to go in deeper And easier and that has to be the single biggest nail In the mooses coffin.
Good point, back in the 1970's, I recall relatives of mine traveling days by car to Ignace, ON. Flying in on a private lake, staying for one week, sleeping in tents, then flying out. No ATV's, just brute force, a canoe, quartering moose by hand/knife/axe, etc... I think the season was way earlier than today though. With these seasons, the lakes would likely be frozen, no planes.
Last edited by bush24; August 8th, 2015 at 07:57 PM.
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August 9th, 2015, 08:34 AM
#88
GW. While this thread is about Moose populations. Consider how many problems there. With other species, some environmental concerns and more.
Moose
Bears
Wolves (?) and coyotes
Asian carp
Cold water streams/urban sprawl
Giant hog and other invasive species
Monarchs
Walleye in different areas
And on and on that's just the tip
Nowhere near enough COs to patrol/enforce.Not enough field techs and biologist. How can they possibly figure out what's going on, let address address so much. They rely on hunter returns to help them get a handle on numbers of X, in different areas. Even there I bet many don't send them in, or the data might be sketchy.
Should they ignore something else and relegate more $, more man power and more man hours to Moose? Maybe we should sacrifice Walleye and concentrate on Moose?
I'm sure if they funnel a lot $ (what little they have) towards Moose, and Asian Carp take over.
They will be blamed for that to.
Last edited by JBen; August 9th, 2015 at 08:40 AM.
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August 9th, 2015, 09:01 AM
#89
Has too much time on their hands
Until you can stop, control or even accurately track the uncontrolled harvest of moose, ultimately nothing else matters. Eventually there will not be a huntable population in accessible areas.
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August 9th, 2015, 10:02 AM
#90
Originally Posted by
JBen
GW. While this thread is about Moose populations. Consider how many problems there. With other species, some environmental concerns and more.
Moose
Bears
Wolves (?) and coyotes
Asian carp
Cold water streams/urban sprawl
Giant hog and other invasive species
Monarchs
Walleye in different areas
And on and on that's just the tip
Nowhere near enough COs to patrol/enforce.Not enough field techs and biologist. How can they possibly figure out what's going on, let address address so much. They rely on hunter returns to help them get a handle on numbers of X, in different areas. Even there I bet many don't send them in, or the data might be sketchy.
Should they ignore something else and relegate more $, more man power and more man hours to Moose? Maybe we should sacrifice Walleye and concentrate on Moose?
I'm sure if they funnel a lot $ (what little they have) towards Moose, and Asian Carp take over.
They will be blamed for that to.
I am sure the liberals carbon taxes will 100% be directed to resolving these issues...lol
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