So, it really was about the money?

[terrym]

How many times did the Teacher's Union say it wasn't about money? How many times did Wynne say there was a salary freeze and no money for raises? Who knew? Turns out not only are there raises but they found money too...
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/22...yment-briefing

[fratri]

Looks like a win but without seeing what was given up, too early to tell if it's truly a win....
A 2.5% over 5 years (wage freeze the previous two years) isn't really too much...Not that I am justifying teachers wages, just saying 2.5% over 5 years isn't all that much.

[terrym]

When you are in a deficit, there is no money for raises.

[Foxx]

The other Unions will just sit in the bush now until old horse faced Wynne greases their palms with a raise as well.

[Bushmoose]

The other Unions will just sit in the bush now until old horse faced Wynne greases their palms with a raise as well.

I take exception to your remark! It's the other end of the horse that she truly resembles!

[jaycee]

I take exception to your remark! It's the other end of the horse that she truly resembles!

That remark really made my day ! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.

[JBen]

Fatri.
How does one figure 2.5% for 5 years??

In no other world except perhaps PS does anyone look at it that way. In years we got no raises, it's water under the bridge. When it comes around again we don't ask for catch up or back pay, nor do we say, well we haven't gotten one in X years. If we get cost of living (1.5%) we get 1.5% for that year.

I have no sympathy for teachers. They are well paid, well compensated especially given they only work about 40 weeks of the year. You are aware the vast majority of people don't make that (aka mean duo income is 70k)?

I have "sympathy" for the hundreds of thousands who lost jobs, who have been ignored, and who work just as hard and are seeing Hydro explode, taxes explode, can't save and don't have pensions.

And they (teachers and their Unions) are a very big reason, why the province is trashed. In so much as, they more than any other group have campaigned to keep this admin in power and benefitted over the years from. No one to blame but themselves. Seriously what a bunch of "whiners". First they spend millions in attacks ads, campaign for them (his) vote for them time and time and time again (you made the bed)….then "cry" when the money runs dry.

"A win"
for whom I wonder?
Theres a hell of a lot more to the province than just teachers and PS.
/points at 800,000 people without GPs
/Points at rural area's where there are shortages of Drs/Nurses
/Points at wait times
/points at the North and so many things there
/points at the MoE and MNR who combined get less, than this will likely cost once you factor in the benefits/sick time.
/rural areas decimated by job losses, and now Hydro bills
/and so much more.
**

I don't begrudge the raise at all, they like the peons breaking their backs are feeling it to, have kids to. Its a little less than what the peons paying for everything are seeing (aka its realistic).
However sick time and benefits?
Last I checked Teachers had great benefits already and there are certainly millions more in greater need.

Maybe one Day the Liberals and PS Unions will remember theres far more to the province than just themselves, and lets not forget the ESST is just one of many crying (Hammonds is demanding 3% and cost of living). Wasn't it about "class sizes"
?

Heres a hard truth for any teachers reading this.
You just got call it 1.5% to help offset exposing hydro, taxes, food increases, gas taxes, more..
The peons are losing another 1.9% (ORRP).

good job

[fratri]

Fatri.
How does one figure 2.5% for 5 years??
In no other world except perhaps PS does anyone look at it that way. In years we got no raises, it's water under the bridge. When it comes around again we don't ask for catch up or back pay, nor do we say, well we haven't gotten one in X years. If we get cost of living (1.5%) we get 1.5% for that year.

I have no sympathy for teachers. They are well paid, well compensated especially given they only work about 40 weeks of the year. You are aware the vast majority of people don't make that (aka mean duo income is 70k)?

I have "sympathy" for the hundreds of thousands who lost jobs, who have been ignored, and who work just as hard and are seeing Hydro explode, taxes explode, can't save and don't have pensions.

And they (teachers and their Unions) are a very big reason, why the province is trashed. In so much as, they more than any other group have campaigned to keep this admin in power and benefitted over the years from. No one to blame but themselves. Seriously what a bunch of "whiners". First they spend millions, vote for them time and time and time again….then "cry" when the money runs dry.

"A win"
for whom I wonder?
Theres a hell of a lot more to the province than just teachers and PS.
/points at 800,000 people without GPs
/Points at rural area's where there are shortages of Drs/Nurses
/Points at wait times
/points at the North and so many things there
/points at the MoE and MNR who combined get less, than this will likely cost once you factor in the benefits/sick time.
/rural areas decimated by job losses, and now Hydro bills
/and so much more.
**

I don't begrudge the raise at all, they like the peons breaking their backs are feeling it to, have kids to. Its a little less than what the peons paying for everything are seeing (aka its realistic).
However sick time and benefits?
Last I checked Teachers had great benefits already and there are certainly millions more in greater need.

Maybe one Day the Liberals and PS Unions will remember theres far more to the province than just themselves, and lets not forget the ESST is just one of many crying (Hammonds is demanding 3% and cost of living). Wasn't it about "class sizes"
?

Heres a hard truth for any teachers reading this.
You just got call it 1.5% to help offset exposing hydro, taxes, food increases, gas taxes, more..
The peons are losing another 1.9% (ORRP).

good job

Its easy math..... 0% for 2 previous years....2.5% for these 3 years.... total 2.5% for 5 years...
Anyway before we all get our tights into a knot, do we know what if anything was given up for this raise? Maybe they removed sick days or maybe not, I guess my point is all the facts are not out and we all know how the media just loves putting out partial information to stir the pot.... best to wait for all the facts...

[JBen]

So suck it up like evyerone else has.
Its 1% this year, next year and then .5%
Its not 2.5% for 5. You make it sound like you've been hard done by. Try walking a mile in the average persons shoes, or say someone who lives in rural Ontario where jobs……

Whats "done is done"

Honestly, I have good friends that are teachers, family and no the job isn't what many teacher haters say. However I am sick and tired of teachers bellyaching and its been like for 20 years.

And the fact is, they more than anyone benefitted (prior to 2010), have it very good compared to the vast bulk of tax payers

and are largely responsible for this admin being elected and staying in power. They made their own beds.

and oh, what a surprise now that Ms Wynne has a federal election to win the ESST are going to be campaigning for her.

[terrym]

The sad thing is that the sheep swallow anything they are fed. The teachers always claim the high ground that it "is for the children". Well if in fact this is a net zero contract then some other expenditure has to be cut. So what was it? Custodians? How will reducing maintenance and hygiene in the schools " help the children"? Books? Information technology based tools? How does this benefit the children? They got better health benefits, another paid day where they don't teach and signing bonus and a raise. I'm sure some progressive here can explain to me how giving more money to teachers and reducing thier work load actually benefits anybody but them. PD days have value if they actually are used to upgrade teaching skills. If they are used for union business then they don't. Why they don't use March break, Xmas, Easter to have these PD days puzzles me. Clearly the union doesn't care much about the amount of days taught to kids when they negotiate contracts. The teachers all had extracurricular activites available to them during their school years. If they found this offensive and unfair why did they get into the profession fully knowing this is how the profession has operated for years? Kind of like moving beside an airport and complaining about the noise.