Return of Long Gun Registry

[MikePal]

I don't think this nut was a Muslim. Just hated Christians and apparently every firearm he had was bought legally.

I haven't been paying to much attention yet, the media takes a week or so to get the story straight so I usually don't watch to much coverage. All I've heard so far is from witnesses was that he was calling out and killing 'Christians'.

Awndray's post/link says it was NOT related to religious extremists activity, I think I'll wait to see what gets grinded out once the FBI profilers have produced a news release.

[MikePal]

Because it's not.


Read the whole thing - http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendl...-the-evidence/

I'll offer this as part of the information that is flowing out there at present, it supports the theory he was an extremist...

Wether this will pan out as true, time will tell..

The Federal Security Services (FSB) is reporting today that an American black-Islamist terror suspect, who yesterday committed an act of mass murder in the State of Oregon (United States), had been included on a list of 87,000 “known/suspected” Islamic terrorists that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL) refused last month to accept from the Federation due to its not being “politically viable in the present atmosphere”.

According to this report, the black-Islamist terrorist who committed this act of terror, Chris Harper Mercer, had previously been indentified by electronic intelligence specialists within the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) as being an Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) adherent after he had attempted to gain passage to Syria via Turkey during the first week of September, 2015.

By the Obama regime refusing to accept this terror list from the Federation, this report continues, Mercer was able to accomplish his terror act when yesterday he killed 9 people and wounded 7 others at the Umpqua Community College prior to his being shot and killed by local US police forces.

Most critical to note about this FSB report is that where it ends, the mysterious, and hugely read, Russian publication Reedus (Ridus.ru) continues—and to fully understand this information one must note that Russian intelligence agencies (SVR/FSB) frequently use Reedus to put information into the public sphere that otherwise would have serious international consequences should the government be found to be behind it—thus giving Reedus its current status known as “a Kremlin resource” and an “agency of Orthodox journalism”. [Русский]

And the information relating to the black-Islamist terrorist Mercer “leaked” into Reedus by the SVR/FSB is, to say the least, shocking and disturbing–including that immediately after the Oregon mass shooting, his Internet personal profile was changed from his true identity as an ISIS/ISIL terror supporter to one of his being a “white conservative Republican”.

With the true knowledge of Mercer being known as the black-Islamic terrorist he truly was, information which the Obama regime refused to accept from Russia, his mass terror act in identifying and killing Christians becomes immediately understandable.

As to why the Obama regime and their propaganda media lapdogs are disguising the truth from the American people about this horrific act of Islamic terror against them, especially to the families of the dead and wounded, it is not known—but shouldn’t really surprise anyone as that government has been nothing but a mountain of lies for years.

http://www.eutimes.net/2015/10/orego...e-from-russia/

[Gun Nut]

Voters who are opposed to a registry certainly care ... but I meant the wider mass of the public, who see it as a non-issue at the moment.

I would also say that if a new government was to try to restore the LGR, you would see a backlash from the mushy middle, the folks who don't much care. They'd be asking why we were spending all this money again.

There is no upside for any party in bringing back the LGR, only downside.

There was no upside to the Liberals under Jean Chretien bringing in Bill C-68, or was there? Now all firearms are Crown property, and you now have to be licences to own a firearm. How is the government going to know if you stop renewing your licence that you don't have anymore firearms? Return to the long form census and add the question. How many firearms do you own? The government manages this country, one aspect of managing anything is measuring what you have in inventory. Your firearms are part of a government inventory. Until that part of the firearm act is repealed that requires you to be licensed to possess firearms, this will continue to be the case. The Liberals are big on restoring the Canada they that had fashions, again making it a nation that is respected around the world for its peace keeping and commitment to the U.N. charters. The NDP would like to recoup some of that lost ground as well. I'd just like to have Canada restored to where it was before all the social engineering kicked in.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[welsh]

There was no upside to the Liberals under Jean Chretien bringing in Bill C-68, or was there?

The Liberals perceived that there was. There was strong support for stricter gun control at the time, especially in urban areas and in Quebec. The political climate at that time was quite different. The Bloc was still a growing force in Quebec, for example.

Now all firearms are Crown property, and you now have to be licences to own a firearm.

Firearms are not Crown property. Where do people get ideas like this?

[Gun Nut]

The Liberals perceived that there was. There was strong support for stricter gun control at the time, especially in urban areas and in Quebec. The political climate at that time was quite different. The Bloc was still a growing force in Quebec, for example.Firearms are not Crown property. Where do people get ideas like this? How is the government going to know if you stop renewing your licence that you don't have anymore firearms? Return to the long form census and add the question. How many firearms do you own? The government manages this country, one aspect of managing anything is measuring what you have in inventory. Your firearms are part of a government inventory. Until that part of the firearm act is repealed that requires you to be licensed to possess firearms, this will continue to be the case. The Liberals are big on restoring the Canada they that had fashions, again making it a nation that is respected around the world for its peace keeping and commitment to the U.N. charters. The NDP would like to recoup some of that lost ground as well. I'd just like to have Canada restored to where it was before all the social engineering kicked in.You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.- Gun Nut

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Firearms are not crown property? Bill C-68 placed firearms under the administration of the Crown. Prior the passage of Bill C-68 you could own firearms and they were private property, there was no legal ramification beyond safe storage. After C-68 owning a firearm became a privilege which was under licence. Without licence they became subject to the Crown:
"If your expired license has not been renewed with in 30 days(now I believe it is 6 Months) of the expiry date your license will be revoked. You will receive notice to surrender your firearms to the police or dispose of them. The police also get notice that a person who has firearms (handgun) registered to them, license has expired and that they are in unlawful possession of those firearms."
So now without a licence your firearms cease to be your private property and fall under the authority of the Crown. In my mind that makes them Crown property.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut.

[trimmer21]

The Liberals perceived that there was. There was strong support for stricter gun control at the time, especially in urban areas and in Quebec. The political climate at that time was quite different. The Bloc was still a growing force in Quebec, for example.Firearms are not Crown property. Where do people get ideas like this? How is the government going to know if you stop renewing your licence that you don't have anymore firearms? Return to the long form census and add the question. How many firearms do you own? The government manages this country, one aspect of managing anything is measuring what you have in inventory. Your firearms are part of a government inventory. Until that part of the firearm act is repealed that requires you to be licensed to possess firearms, this will continue to be the case. The Liberals are big on restoring the Canada they that had fashions, again making it a nation that is respected around the world for its peace keeping and commitment to the U.N. charters. The NDP would like to recoup some of that lost ground as well. I'd just like to have Canada restored to where it was before all the social engineering kicked in.You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.- Gun Nut

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Gee,I don't know,welsh and Gun Nut,but if you replace the word "gun" in your post with any other word for any other inanimate object...like "golf clubs" or "hammers",it quickly shows how patently ridiculous that whole premise is,doesn't it?

[rick_iles]

Sounds to me like someone needs a tinfoil hat !! You require a licence to drive, your truck has a licence.....does that mean your truck is crown property ????

[welsh]

In my mind that makes them Crown property..

That don't make it a fact.

Fact: they are your property, not Crown property. The fact that the Crown can confiscate something doesn't make it their property to begin with.

[awndray]

Sounds to me like someone needs a tinfoil hat !! You require a licence to drive, your truck has a licence.....does that mean your truck is crown property ????

Big difference; you need a license to drive on public roads. Your vehicle is registered and plated only for driving on public roads. Otherwise, anyone can own a car or truck. You don't need a license to bug one. You don't need a license to drive on private property.

[Gun Nut]

Sounds to me like someone needs a tinfoil hat !! You require a licence to drive, your truck has a licence.....does that mean your truck is crown property ????

Thanks for raising this example. Your right you require a licence to drive your truck. However you don't require a licence to own your truck, only to use it. Again if you put your truck on the road, you have to ensure the registration is renewed. Also there is a requirement that you have it insured. However if you choose not to drive your truck, and allow your drivers licence to lapse, as well as not renew your registration. You will not have the authority asking you to turn in your truck or dispose of it. Your truck is your private property, you can let it sit in your yard until it resolves itself into a pile of rust. The reason your licencing is based upon use not ownership, as well as your vehicle registration. No so your firearms, your licence is based upon ownership not use. By contrast your hunting licences are based upon use. You may let your hunting licence lapse and it does not affect the possession of your firearm. However let your firearm licence lapse and you will be asked to turn in your firearms or dispose of them. Meanwhile if you do allow your firearms licence to lapse, and the authorities come asking about your firearms. Under the law they can be legally confiscated them, or you can be forced to dispose of them. If you attempt to lie to them, they can slap you with a warrant to search and seize, and if they find any firearms you will in all likelihood be subject to additional charge for attempting to deceive them.

If you are looking for an example that is more comparable, your house and property would come closest. Failure to pay your municipal taxes, will over time cause your municipal to take action against you. You will be given the option of making good on your back property taxes. However if you are unable to do so, or unable to sell your property and pay off the back taxes, with in a set period of time. They, as a representative of the Crown, can legally take over your house and property and selling them for back taxes.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut