Return of Long Gun Registry

[trimmer21]

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/guns/

Except for returning the ATT bureaucracy BS,all this is already law on the books. Again,the Liberals are trying to make it look like it's their idea,you know,like it doesn't already exist. Typical electioneering.

[annuvin]

Do you have any idea what a criminal conviction will do to your life?

Yes I do. It doesn't scare me enough to betray my principals, though.

[welsh]

Except for returning the ATT bureaucracy BS,all this is already law on the books.

People keep saying this, but it isn't true. Skipping over funding proposals and the two provisions of C-42 they plan to repeal:

require enhanced background checks for anyone seeking to purchase a handgun or other restricted firearm

Saying that "enhanced" background checks are already on the books is like saying, "I don't understand the meaning of the word 'enhanced.'" The proposal here appears to be to make the background check for an RPAL still more stringent -- that's what "enhanced" means.

require purchasers of firearms to show a license when they buy a gun, and require all sellers of firearms to confirm that the license is valid before completing the sale

There are two provisions here, and neither is already on the books:

1. change the Criminal Code and Firearms Act to explicitly require that a seller check a licence, something that is arguably not required now. The abolition of the long gun registry changed the wording of S. 23 of the Firearms Act and left the actual requirement ambiguous; the Quebec bar association and Ontario CFO have both advanced the notion that the only requirement is that the seller have no reason to believe the buyer is not authorized. There has been all kinds of discussion of this point, which everyone seems to have suddenly & conveniently forgotten in their rush to condemn the Liberal proposals. The Liberals apparently intend to remove the confusion regarding the actual standard of care, which is a good thing.
2. require that the seller check the licence is valid -- that is, not simply to look at it, but to validate it by calling the Canadian Firearms Centre.

require firearms vendors to keep records of all firearms inventory and sales to assist police in investigating firearms trafficking and other gun crimes

This is not on the books. In fact, the Conservatives enacted a regulation explicitly forbidding CFOs to impose such a condition on dealers. This proposal would bring Canada in line with the status quo in the United States. And this point, as well, has been much discussed by people who have suddenly and conveniently forgotten it.

Yes I do. It doesn't scare me enough to betray my principals, though.

Your principles? Principles such as respect for the democratic process and for the law?

Your desire to own a gun -- something that is not even threatened by the proposed changes -- is not a lofty, high-minded principle. Don't confuse it for one.

[annuvin]

Your principles? Principles such as respect for the democratic process and for the law?

Your desire to own a gun -- something that is not even threatened by the proposed changes -- is not a lofty, high-minded principle. Don't confuse it for one.

It is you who's confused.

My principals reflect that of a government of the people of Canada, by the people of Canada, for the people of Canada - not simply the will of Justin Trudeau and Liberal Party of Canada.

[welsh]

My principals reflect that of a government of the people of Canada, by the people of Canada, for the people of Canada - not simply the will of Justin Trudeau and Liberal Party of Canada.

Oh, that lofty, high minded principle! My bad!

I'm sure you base your planned response to a policy nobody is actually pursuing on detailed polling of the people of Canada, which nobody is actually conducting. Quick, now, lecture me about natural rights!

ROFL.

[trimmer21]

As far as "forbidding CFO's to impose such conditions on dealers" it was done because the CFO has ZERO authority to make laws/rules arbitrarily which,quite clearly,they had been doing without lawful authority. Slippery slope,here,welsh. That can never be left to continue in a democratic society. Without a ridiculous discussion of the meaning of the word "enhanced",please enlighten us as to how this "enhanced" background check is different from how a background check is supposed to be conducted,now.

[Gun Nut]

It is you who's confused.

My principals reflect that of a government of the people of Canada, by the people of Canada, for the people of Canada - not simply the will of Justin Trudeau and Liberal Party of Canada.

Would to God your principals should reflect the actual high mind state for democratic rule: a Government of the people of Canada, by the people of Canada, for the people of Canada. However representative democracy has proven over and over again to render quite a different state for democratic rule, which I liken to: a Government of the people of Canada, by the people of Canada, in spite of the people of Canada. Hence the eagerness for political change, that from time to time, happens over and over again.

You don't stop hunting because you grown old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[Karl Marques]

OK OK OK folks. Let's just calm down a little. Let's all be nice. un uninvolved in peace.jpg

[rick_iles]

As far as "forbidding CFO's to impose such conditions on dealers" it was done because the CFO has ZERO authority to make laws/rules arbitrarily which,quite clearly,they had been doing without lawful authority. Slippery slope,here,welsh. That can never be left to continue in a democratic society. Without a ridiculous discussion of the meaning of the word "enhanced",please enlighten us as to how this "enhanced" background check is different from how a background check is supposed to be conducted,now.

I don't know how a background check can be "enhanced". It will be interesting to see what changes are actually implemented.

[rick_iles]

It is you who's confused.

My principals reflect that of a government of the people of Canada, by the people of Canada, for the people of Canada - not simply the will of Justin Trudeau and Liberal Party of Canada.

Get caught with an unregistered firearm, (if it comes to that) then let us know how your "principals" work out for you !