180$ fine delevered to my door!

[MikePal]

He plain out told me that he was given a list of local hunters that had not reported. And probably given instructions to fine! Like i said before, The fine was already writen out when he got here and i would thingk the rest of the guys on his list also had fine pre writen waitting to be delevered!

BUT in all of Ontario and all the non-returned MANDATORY reports and he gets $180 slap. If he gets it then everyone who doesn't submit should get it also! and right NOW! It's not that MNR doesn't know who they are!

According to the OP this CO was given a list and a bunch of pre-written fines to deliver...so maybe they are going to be cracking down on enforcement this year.

[B Wilson]

Not sure why they would have to supply the consequences when they issue the license?

when you first got you hunting license or renewed it did they provide all the possible charges and fines?
when you get a fishing license do they provide the fines?

[TPM]

I do feel sorry for the guy who gets fined when he actually does mail it in and it gets lost by Canada Post. It will be interesting when someone does challenge this in court. Basing a charge on the fact the MNR did not receive it does not prove it wasn't sent. Due diligence ends as soon as the hunter drops it in the mailbox. It's not his or her responsibility to see to it the survey gets delivered to the the MNR. People are going to lie and say they sent it in just to avoid a fine. May not be right but it's going to happen.

[fishermccann]

Unfortunately you will have to prove you sent it in ,which will mean registered mail. In a court of law the onus is on you to prove what you are claiming, not the prosecution.

[domination]

Here is a little invented convarsation that will anwer a few questions and spark up a few more!
I Never said i was not guilty! will i pay my fine? Yes!I did not send it in! Did i do it on purpace? No! Did i forget? No! i was waiting for it to come in the mail like i am used to with the deer and bear questionnaire! Did i know that it was in the envelop with the tag when i received it in late august? No! Is there apparently many hunters in my wmu who don't return there questionnaires? Thats what the CO that gave me the ticket said and also said its been a problem For a long time! Do you think the moose questionaire system for your wmu is working? No! Do you think that tracking douwn all the 2015 moose hunters in wmu 65 that did not send it in and slap them with a fine is the way to resolve the problem? No! would it help if we start by doing changes on how and when the questionaire is distributed?Yes

[fishermccann]

You have done more to make sure it does not happen, to all that have read your posts on the subject, than any letter by the MNR ever could.

[TPM]

Unfortunately you will have to prove you sent it in ,which will mean registered mail. In a court of law the onus is on you to prove what you are claiming, not the prosecution.

Nope. In this Country you're innocent until proven guilty. Burden of proof is always on the prosecution and the fact that the MNR does not receive a survey is not proof it wasn't sent.

[sawbill]

Go before a JP and enter a plea of Guilty with an explanation.
Your explanation is that you were expecting to receive it in the mail as you have with other questionaires. This is a reasonable excuse.
Most often you will get the benefit of the doubt and receive a lesser penalty.

[fishermccann]

Nope. In this Country you're innocent until proven guilty. Burden of proof is always on the prosecution and the fact that the MNR does not receive a survey is not proof it wasn't sent.

You try telling the bank they can't foreclose on your house, or you paid your speeding ticket fines because, "the cheque is in the mail".

[TPM]

You try telling the bank they can't foreclose on your house, or you paid your speeding ticket fines because, "the cheque is in the mail".

Apples and oranges. With a mortgage your obligation is to see to it the bank receives payment and you're responsible for every step of the process. Same goes for a speeding ticket. You're only obligation with the survery is to fill it out and see to it that it gets in the mail. I doubt there is any judge out there who wouldn't accept that as due diligence.