Throne Speech: Liberals to introduce Gun control measures

[Hunter John]

I have no reason to believe we will see another registry (except Quebec ) But re-classification. Re- class will cost almost nothing so tax payers wont notice / care and the liberals can beat their chests that they made Canada safer. We can only speculate at this point but if they are looking at Australia you can say goodbye to all restricted , pump ,semi shotguns and rifles. That's worse than a registry in my mind.

[terrym]

I have no reason to believe we will see another registry (except Quebec ) But re-classification. Re- class will cost almost nothing so tax payers wont notice / care and the liberals can beat their chests that they made Canada safer. We can only speculate at this point but if they are looking at Australia you can say goodbye to all restricted , pump ,semi shotguns and rifles. That's worse than a registry in my mind.

I agree. To be perfectly honest a registry didn't inconvenience me much. It's the wasted $ Billions that come with it that drives me nuts. When will people learn that accumulating debt is cancerous? I rather pay nurses and Doctors and yes even police with that money. NOT overpaid bureaucrats and paper pushers.

[rick_iles]

I agree. To be perfectly honest a registry didn't inconvenience me much. It's the wasted $ Billions that come with it that drives me nuts. When will people learn that accumulating debt is cancerous? I rather pay nurses and Doctors and yes even police with that money. NOT overpaid bureaucrats and paper pushers.

The costs of a registry would be insignificant, compared to the billions the Liberals have squandered, both provincially and federally. The latter is just getting warmed up !

[terrym]

It's not even really about a registry. It's about the Liberal mentality that all guns are bad and that law abiding and licensed gun owners are criminals. The nonsense about ATT provisions is a perfect example. If someone has gone through the hoops and checks to be granted an RPAL and he owns a handgun then society trusts that person. The nonsensical paper work involved isn't free and changes nothing about public safety. If the gun owner is a threat who slipped through the cracks all that tax money spent in red tape won't change a thing. Does a guy who owns a Ferrari have to file a travel plan? Does a guy who drinks alcohol provide travel plans? Both have the potential to kill innocent people.

[onelessarrow]

[QUOTE=welsh;943442]

The CPC under Harper was able to abolish the LGR without political cost because they had successfully branded the LGR, outside Quebec, as a massive waste of public funds. This is why no-one outside Quebec will commit to bringing it back. And nobody is going to get away with it by giving the money to someone else.

The liberals branded the massive waste all by themselves long before Harper came to power, 2 million to 2 billion. That money was already spent when he got to power. The CPC was able to brand it useless/ineffective with lots of noncompliance. Not really surprised you didn't mention the latter though, it's same way the media roles.

[welsh]

It's the Liberals who claimed hidden agendas.

Correct. And they were wrong.

The people who are now warning of hidden Liberal agendas are doing exactly the same thing: projecting their fears onto the opposition on the assumption that everyone is as ideologically driven as themselves.

We can only speculate at this point but if they are looking at Australia you can say goodbye to all restricted , pump ,semi shotguns and rifles.

Correct. We can only speculate. Let's try to remember that speculation is speculation.

The CPC was able to brand it useless/ineffective with lots of noncompliance. Not really surprised you didn't mention the latter though, it's same way the media roles.

No, the CPC engaged in a long and protracted campaign of messaging, with the aim of convincing the general public that the LGR was wasting money. Perhaps you've forgotten all the grumbling that they were moving too slowly? They waited until their messaging created the environment where they could abolish the LGR without political cost.

By the way, repeated research has shown that people who complain most about media bias are the same people who are themselves most driven by ideology and least likely to change their views when confronted by conflicting factual information. They see bias because it explains away the conflict between the facts and their views. But don't let that worry you -- all that research was done by biased researchers!

[mooboy76]

Not that I agree with the Australian firearms laws, because I want to keep my semi- autos, but just a couple of facts. Since 1996 when the firearms laws were changed, the firearms homicide rate fell 59% , and the firearms suicide rate fell by 65%, WITHOUT a parallel increase in non-firearms homicides and suicides. But the facts of 59% and 65% drops, respectfully is nothing to sneeze at. This was reported by The Washington Post, so it is not Australians saying this to toot their own horn.

I can't comment on the homicide numbers, but the drop in suicide by firearm was compensated for by an increase in suicide by hanging. Previous to the buyback of 1996, the firearm method accounted for about 20-25% of all suicides, and hanging about 25-30%. The trend after the buyback programs and regulation changes led to firearm method accounting for about 8% of all suicides, and hanging about 50%. Total number of suicides has not significantly changed since the mid 80's.

At least that is what I can glean from a few reports by the Australian government.

[Karl Marques]

I can't comment on the homicide numbers, but the drop in suicide by firearm was compensated for by an increase in suicide by hanging. Previous to the buyback of 1996, the firearm method accounted for about 20-25% of all suicides, and hanging about 25-30%. The trend after the buyback programs and regulation changes led to firearm method accounting for about 8% of all suicides, and hanging about 50%. Total number of suicides has not significantly changed since the mid 80's.

At least that is what I can glean from a few reports by the Australian government.

Did you know that 100% of gun crimes are committed with a firearm?

[terrym]

I think improving mental heath care would likely prevent some suicides more than confiscating firearms or classes of firearms from people who are not at risk of suicide. This is problem with the gun grabbers. If someone commits an atrocity or crime they react towards people who don't commit crimes. Being a gun owner doesn't mean you are a potential killer. Having liquor in my cabinet and a car in the driveway doesn't make me a drunk driver.

By the way Mooboy, thanks for those facts. they certainly change the spin cycle don't they. Actually you never hear those stats much from the leftwing media as I guess they don't support the agenda.

[trimmer21]

I can't believe this thread is still going.