Climate change ?? Really?

[fratri]

I never thought much about climate change and it effects until I started watching National Geographic shows on the polar bear.
The ice cap has shrunk by 1/3 . The bears have to swim many kilometres to find ice where a seal can be taken through the ice. Cubs are drowning as they can't swim that far. Male bears are eating cubs as food is so hard to find.

One could say who cares about the polar bears, but I hate to see a species wiped out due to climate change.

Everything heard/read/watched needs to be taken with a grain of salt.....

From an NASA article this spring...

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestay...ing-after-all/

[mosquito]

I never thought much about climate change and it effects until I started watching National Geographic shows on the polar bear.
The ice cap has shrunk by 1/3 . The bears have to swim many kilometres to find ice where a seal can be taken through the ice. Cubs are drowning as they can't swim that far. Male bears are eating cubs as food is so hard to find.

One could say who cares about the polar bears, but I hate to see a species wiped out due to climate change.

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/mag...lar_bears3.asp


Consider Mitch Taylor’s story. He spent more than two decades as a polar bear researcher and manager for the Nunavut government and has published around 50 peer-reviewed papers. That should garner widespread respect. But Taylor has been highly vocal about his belief that polar bears are mostly doing fine, that cub mortality varies from year to year and that the much ballyhooed predictions of extinction by 2050 are “a joke.” He also alleges that a lot of the “exaggerated decline” is just a way to keep certain scientists well funded and to transfer control of the polar bear issue from territorial to federal hands.
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The current scientific consensus places the worldwide polar bear population between 20,000 and 25,000 animals. Prior to the 1973 worldwide restriction on commerical polar bear hunting, that number was dramatically lower, so low that a meeting of polar bear specialists in 1965 concluded that extinction was a real possibility. Some reports even estimated the number of bears as low as 5,000 worldwide. Yet by 1990, Ian Stirling — at the time, the senior research scientist for the Canadian Wildlife Service and a professor of zoology at the University of Alberta; basically, one of the most respected polar bear scientists on the planet — felt comfortable answering the question as to whether polar bears are an endangered species by stating flatly: “They are not.” He went on to say that “the world population of polar bears is certainly greater than 20,000 and could be as high as 40,000 … I am inclined toward the upper end of that range.” Although old studies are sketchy, clearly more polar bears are alive today than there were 50 years ago, an essentially heartening fact that has not managed to pierce the public consciousness.

[terrym]

” Although old studies are sketchy, clearly more polar bears are alive today than there were 50 years ago, an essentially heartening fact that has not managed to pierce the public consciousness.

That doesn't exactly suit the ecocon's narrative. People like Al Gore and David Suzuki live like kings entirely because these facts don't get published by the media.

[JBen]

If I'm not mistaken we used to sacrifice virgins (droughts, volcanoes) and trying to beat nature forever. How's it going?

Let's do what we can, but let's also keep our heads on our shoulders, and feet on the ground.
Lest we start sacrificing virgins to the sun gods again.

Politicians and green champions are largely snake oil salesmen, or some like JT naive idealist. Not unlike McGuinty. Sadly too many are all too happy to buy into things.

We will do far more good, concentrating, focusing on things like pollution (the physical kind, we throw so much crap out), food sources to feed the masses, water...

See the Morraine.

Makes me laugh when I hear people like JT go on about CC, yet right here where we sit on 90% of the worlds fresh water. We waste it like drunkards, pollute it like stink (see also the muskokas and kawarthas) andhave no appreciation for it

[trimmer21]

We can't sacrifice virgins,anymore,JBen,because there aren't any LOL

[skypilot]

Hmmmmm......

The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
Thomas Sowell

[mooboy76]

And what of this 2 degrees? 2C is about 1/2 the difference between the yearly average temperature in Ottawa and Toronto.

How it affects you depends on where you live. Two degrees higher average, all the time, changes a few things. Maybe say goodbye to overwinter crops between Windsor and London because your average winter highs are now 0-1 degree C, or maybe just expect higher losses due to melting snowcover.

Ottawa in your example with average summer highs pushed up close to 28 C will also see a bump in their summer maximum temperatures, and a bit more humidity to go with it - luckily it should keep the AC business going if the cost of hydro isn't too bad and you can afford it. The homeless may be in danger though.

Some places will make out like bandits, others will have to plant different crops (and find a market for them) or new varieties, or add irrigation systems; again, it depends where you live. I'd hate to live in a drought-prone region.

If the 2C jump is inevitable, then the trick is how long do we need before the 2C increase to be ready, or even more important, how long will it take for the other animals, algaes, fungi, bacteria, and plants to also adapt to the new normal. A 40 C hot tub is pretty comfortable, but it probably wouldn't be healthy to stay in one all the time without some changes to what goes on inside our bodies. Same for most of the other critters. Slower increases are probably smoother than faster ones.

[terrym]

How it affects you depends on where you live. Two degrees higher average, all the time, changes a few things. Maybe say goodbye to overwinter crops between Windsor and London because your average winter highs are now 0-1 degree C, or maybe just expect higher losses due to melting snowcover.

Ottawa in your example with average summer highs pushed up close to 28 C will also see a bump in their summer maximum temperatures, and a bit more humidity to go with it - luckily it should keep the AC business going if the cost of hydro isn't too bad and you can afford it. The homeless may be in danger though.

Some places will make out like bandits, others will have to plant different crops (and find a market for them) or new varieties, or add irrigation systems; again, it depends where you live. I'd hate to live in a drought-prone region.

If the 2C jump is inevitable, then the trick is how long do we need before the 2C increase to be ready, or even more important, how long will it take for the other animals, algaes, fungi, bacteria, and plants to also adapt to the new normal. A 40 C hot tub is pretty comfortable, but it probably wouldn't be healthy to stay in one all the time without some changes to what goes on inside our bodies. Same for most of the other critters. Slower increases are probably smoother than faster ones.

How many species of plants and animals evolved and disappeared on this planet before man had a footprint on it? Man is an evolutionary creature also, remember the cave men? What is to say that humans won't over time keep evolving like every other living thing to adapt to changing conditions? This idea that progressives have that they can control climate is both laughable and sad. When I see imbeciles like JT go to a sham conference of mostly poorly trained / educated politicians and feel they can negotiate between 1.5 and 2 degrees of climate change it blows my mind. These idiots truly believe they are so powerful they can control a natural process that has not stopped in millions of years on this planet. Until we can control the earths orbit relative to the sun and the moon we will never be able to control climate. By all means clean up the planet but crippling economies and redistributing wealth will never achieve what these clowns feel they can do. We may be capable of blowing up the planet but haven't figured how to control its orbit yet no matter what the left think they are capable of.

[terrym]

How it affects you depends on where you live. Two degrees higher average, all the time, changes a few things. Maybe say goodbye to overwinter crops between Windsor and London because your average winter highs are now 0-1 degree C, or maybe just expect higher losses due to melting snowcover.

Ottawa in your example with average summer highs pushed up close to 28 C will also see a bump in their summer maximum temperatures, and a bit more humidity to go with it - luckily it should keep the AC business going if the cost of hydro isn't too bad and you can afford it. The homeless may be in danger though.

Some places will make out like bandits, others will have to plant different crops (and find a market for them) or new varieties, or add irrigation systems; again, it depends where you live. I'd hate to live in a drought-prone region.

If the 2C jump is inevitable, then the trick is how long do we need before the 2C increase to be ready, or even more important, how long will it take for the other animals, algaes, fungi, bacteria, and plants to also adapt to the new normal. A 40 C hot tub is pretty comfortable, but it probably wouldn't be healthy to stay in one all the time without some changes to what goes on inside our bodies. Same for most of the other critters. Slower increases are probably smoother than faster ones.

How many species of plants and animals evolved and disappeared on this planet before man had a footprint on it? Man is an evolutionary creature also, remember the cave men? What is to say that humans won't over time keep evolving like every other living thing to adapt to changing conditions? This idea that progressives have that they can control climate is both laughable and sad. When I see imbeciles like JT go to a sham conference of mostly poorly trained / educated politicians and feel they can negotiate between 1.5 and 2 degrees of climate change it blows my mind. These idiots truly believe they are so powerful they can control a natural process that has not stopped in millions of years on this planet. Until we can control the earths orbit relative to the sun and the moon we will never be able to control climate. By all means clean up the planet but crippling economies and redistributing wealth will never achieve what these clowns feel they can do.
We may be capable of blowing up the planet but haven't figured how to control it's orbit yet no matter what the left think they are capable of.
The $ Billions of dollars already wasted and yet to come would be far better spent on finding ways to "adapt" to a changing world successfully. Spend that money into finding ways of turning marginal land into productive land that can support some type of useful agriculture and that would go much further in helping societies and countries who live in desperation. Modernize Africa and build basic infrastructure and watch that continent thrive in terms of food and resource production. Solar and wind technology may very well be useful in the arid parts of the world who don't have other abundant sources of energy, here they erode our progress and shrink economies. That would be the best tool in stopping war and extremism. Happy well fed people aren't as likely to want to kill each other. We already have the science and technical capacity to improve the land we use, what is needed is the will to do it. Wasting money on Carbon nonsense as well as military tools is non productive and will kill us off quicker in the end as a species. The climate con artists live very well by spreading doom and gloom and typically are among the worst offenders in terms of carbon footprint. Climate change is a very lucrative religion that isn't helping us at all. The sad reality is we produce enough food on this planet that nobody anywhere should have to go hungry. What we waste as a society is reprehensible. We waste billions on scandal and boondoggles while kids and homeless people suffer. Let's try and fix that before we try and play god with the universe.

[mosquito]

You gotta watch Canada's science minister...... says global warming will cause the next ice age....
http://www.therebel.media/10_facts_a...justin_trudeau

HUH?????