This dude is in big trouble.

[sakimano]

Well I'll tell you what I would do down here - I look out the window and see this guy trying to steal my truck - I arm myself - with a pistol in my belt and with my pistol grip shotgun loaded with BB shot - I go out and point the shotgun at the guy and tell him to lay on the ground or I'll shoot him - now it is his call - he either complies or runs away or attacks me - if he is on the ground I use my cell phone to hit 911 and hold the guy until the cops come - if he runs away I let him go and let a load of shot fly over his head - I doubt if he will be back again - if he attacks me he goes down -

Some may say - why not just stay in the house and call the cops - well by the time the cops come my truck and everything in it is gone - why should I be expected to just watch while some bum is taking my truck - the crook will keep stealing unless people start resisting in some form

The one thing I notice is that up in Canada there is more stealing going on and I think it is that way because the consequences if caught are either none or a slap on the wrist - down here crooks know that they may get hurt if they try to steal something and so think twice before doing it - it is pretty sad when a person can't protect his property and has to let a crook just take it and go

I think you'd be charged in all three scenarios you outlined (if he flees, complies or attacks) . I'm reasonably sure you don't have the authority to brandish a firearm and threaten someone's life under that scenario you outlined. It's unreasonable in the eyes of the law.

[JBen]

I think you missed the analogy Sakimo.


There are many who think or feel he was guilty of "murder" and didn't or don't buy the "self defence" aspects. He was no danger to anyone but himself at that point...which consisted of Forcible spending a whole 50 seconds trying to de-escalate...aka not at all......

not the least of which was the SIU who laid the charges.
And lets not also overlook or forget that a great many people would naturally have a hard time convicting leo of murder most do understand its a dangerous, thankless job. Hence the "compromise"...

Some of those people who think it was murder and not self defence at all, might now be arguing this home owner or we as home owners should be able to shoot car thieves or petty thieves as the case may be. Cant have it both ways.

Leo shoots a kid who poses little threat...Off with his head we say
Homeowner shoots a kid at his truck, or stealing his TV...Justifiable self defence we say now that the shoe is on the other foot

[JoePa]

I think you'd be charged in all three scenarios you outlined (if he flees, complies or attacks) . I'm reasonably sure you don't have the authority to brandish a firearm and threaten someone's life under that scenario you outlined. It's unreasonable in the eyes of the law.

I live in the U.S. - everything I outlined would be legal down here -

[sakimano]

I live in the U.S. - everything I outlined would be legal down here -

Ah yes different story. This is a Canadian website. You realise that right?

Unless you're from Ontario california and are lost lol.

[Bandwagon]

How do you defend, killing an unarmed person, who was no physical threat to you, but only wanted to steal your stuff ?

Ah! You must have been watching from the end of the drive way... So many crystal ball owners on this site. You know he was not armed for a fact? You can confirm there was no altercation? total BS!

[trimmer21]

Ah! You must have been watching from the end of the drive way... So many crystal ball owners on this site. You know he was not armed for a fact? You can confirm there was no altercation? total BS!

A thread like this was shut down on Gunnutz due to speculation and dubious "facts" and if THEY shut it down,it's REALLY had to be right off the wall. lol

[dutchhunter]

first it was not a kid that was shot. He was a adult who choose to enter private property and steal a truck
Second the man that shot him was a adult and s good hard working man .and I have to believe he did what he felt was right or needed at the time of the shooting. So until we know different we should side with the home owner. Dutch

[fishermccann]

Why? You assume to much about both individuals. I do not believe you should be able to shoot someone if there is any way to avoid it. Yes even including locking yourself in your house while someone steals your truck, rather than confront him with a gun.

[dutchhunter]

If everyone thought thus way the world would be in big trouble. S free for all for thieves murder and sll kinds of crszy stuff.stand up for your rights.

[fishermccann]

You can not, and should not, be able to shoot someone over property, only when your life is in danger , not to protect your stuff.