Turtle Trapping.

[rfb]

Tons and tons of habitat restoration. You'll have to point that out to me. We're losing wetlands at an alarming rate.

As far as studies Google some. Not just for snappers but for all chelonians. One US forestry service study found that northern populations of snapping turtles can't sustain any harvest. It's too hard to recruit adult breeding members. Studies of turtles in Algonquin have said the same thing.

They haven't given them threatened status on a whim. Worldwide turtles and tortoises are headed into the crapper. They just can't survive the combination of loss of habitat and harvest.

[trappermatt]

As long as it is legal.... If we trust the MNRF for all other harvest restrictions , why not turtles?

Do you trust all the MNRF positions on the management of this provinces wildlife when we know they are extremely underfunded?

[fishermccann]

I have to trust them, as I have no other authority that makes the harvest laws. I follow the law , if it changes, so will I.

[gooseman]

[QUOTE=rfb;957020]Tons and tons of habitat restoration. You'll have to point that out to me. We're losing wetlands at an alarming rate.

Rural Lambton Stewardship Network are the local group that restores and creates wet lands here in Lambton county. On my 60 acres they created 4 surface acres of wetlands. Neighbors on 3 sides of me have created many more acres. That's just in the 2 adjoining concessions. They are responsible for many many areas through out Lambton county creating hundreds of acres of new wetlands and wildlife habitat. My area is 6yrs old and the turtles have moved in and living the dream. I see all different sizes and species from snapper, painted and even seen a blandings. Where I use to live close to the shores of lake St. Clair. The marshes were full of snappers. The farmers dykes were covered in turtles during egg laying season. Those marshes were restored by the Canadian Wildlife Services. I am not sure who does this type of work in other areas but I am quite sure it's not being done just around me. So there is my proof

[rfb]

Drop in the bucket compared to what we are losing.

[Species8472]

I have to trust them, as I have no other authority that makes the harvest laws. I follow the law , if it changes, so will I.

Following the law does not require trust it only requires obedience. Trust may be a reason one obeys but it is not required as there are others that are just as valid. Many things can motivate obedience a good example is fear. Many people may fear the law/authority and obey even though they have no trust/belief in it.

[gooseman]

Drop in the bucket compared to what we are losing.

Were are we loosing? Maybe in yrs past but with today's laws and restrictions I don't see this happening

[fishermccann]

Following the law does not require trust it only requires obedience. Trust may be a reason one obeys but it is not required as there are others that are just as valid. Many things can motivate obedience a good example is fear. Many people may fear the law/authority and obey even though they have no trust for it.

The trust is in their rational in setting harvesting levels. I just want to eat a couple of snapping turtles a year, and as long as it is legal, I will. Considering I could take 2 a day for 2 months , taking just 2 in a season seems reasonable.

[trappermatt]

Not true at all. Habitat loss, food consumption, highway mortality are the main reasons

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many reports of 100% nest loss to predators and you think they aren't a factor to the population as a whole , heck if any other animal was suffering from predation loses at these rate people would be screaming for action , and I don't have to just read about it to see it , I could show you first hand in many different spots just as I could show you the numbers of them that get run over on the road in the spring , I hate to see that and stop regularly to move them off the road but during the spring gravel shoulders and roads are very attractive to female turtles nesting and unfortunately they get run over. I like all animals I'm not a predator hater and I sure don't want to kill everything in sight but I won't be misled into supporting restrictions on sportsmen without good reason

[Species8472]

The trust is in their rational in setting harvesting levels. I just want to eat a couple of snapping turtles a year, as long as it is legal, I will.

No problem with you taking whatever you want as long as it is legal. Trusting their rational on the other hand would be naive as they are on record as saying they have no idea what the population is.