Throne Speech: Liberals to introduce Gun control measures

[welsh]

He's still in his honeymoon phase saving the planet and undoing everything Harper did. Lot's of time left in his mandate to get to it.

Oh, I have no doubt we'll see legislation tabled by the end of next year at the latest. I'm just pointing out that none of this has actually happened yet -- a lot of people are talking as if it's already done.

[trimmer21]

I'm surprised that there's 23 pages of angst and hand-wringing over what the Liberals might do. It would be better to wait until they actually do it. Then,we can do the same thing as we did the last time they pulled this crap,elect another Conservative government and kick their collective Liberal arses to the curb,this time,permanently. Anyone who doesn't think that 4 million Canadian gun owners voting as a bloc can't swing election results has shyte for brains. It happened 10 years ago and can happen,again,a fact not lost on Liberal election strategists and policy makers.

[terrym]

Social media is changing how everything works. Kids today can't talk on the phone anymore, rarely watch television unless it's Netflix off a laptop. Newspapers/Print are in a death spiral so yeah if you want to make some noise a single letter that will only be seen by a couple viewers just doesn't have the impact of some online rant.

[terrym]

I'm surprised that there's 23 pages of angst and hand-wringing over what the Liberals might do. It would be better to wait until they actually do it. Then,we can do the same thing as we did the last time they pulled this crap,elect another Conservative government and kick their collective Liberal arses to the curb,this time,permanently. Anyone who doesn't think that 4 million Canadian gun owners voting as a bloc can't swing election results has shyte for brains. It happened 10 years ago and can happen,again,a fact not lost on Liberal election strategists and policy makers.

I guess you're saying I have sheet for brains then. I have been called worse. The problem is we as gun owners are spread out thin and don't usually have enough votes to influence a riding's vote. We can't vote as a bloc. The game of politics is winning seats, for now anyways. JT will likely change that too.

[welsh]

If there's anything that's "laughable" it's your flippant disregard for it, especially given for someone who is so well read, you surely know it's changed the game.

Wow. I say that letters have a greater impact than posts on boards such as this, and you turn that into "flippant disregard" for social media as a whole?

You are making one of your usual mistakes of logic, in this case, a category mistake: you mistake the effect of broad public opinion, in which your online natterings are a drop in the bucket, with the effect of individual action. How do you make your drop in that bucket carry the most weight it conceivably can?

If you want to take the most effective action you can, as an individual, write a letter.

Or, throw your hands in the air, declare it's all futile, and pretend you can influence government policy by posting on this board.

[trimmer21]

I guess you're saying I have sheet for brains then. I have been called worse. The problem is we as gun owners are spread out thin and don't usually have enough votes to influence a riding's vote. We can't vote as a bloc. The game of politics is winning seats, for now anyways. JT will likely change that too.

It was just a figure of speech,terry,never meant personally. The main proponents of GC in the Liberal defeat of ten years ago lost their seats. Among others was Mark Holland,one of the most rabid drum-bangers. He's back,now,just newly re-elected in the riding of Ajax-Pickering. If they haven't learned anything from sitting at home for the last 10 years,then,they're really completely brain dead.

[welsh]

Social media is changing how everything works. Kids today can't talk on the phone anymore, rarely watch television unless it's Netflix off a laptop. Newspapers/Print are in a death spiral so yeah if you want to make some noise a single letter that will only be seen by a couple viewers just doesn't have the impact of some online rant.

The online rant has no real effect if it doesn't move opinion. Most of them are read only by people who already agree with the rant. Shouting in an echo chamber does doodly. It's your MP you need to influence, not all the people who already agree with you.

If you want to make some real noise in the public sphere you get yourself a platform that gets your opinions heard by a broad audience, including people who will try to pick you to pieces.

The problem is we as gun owners are spread out thin and don't usually have enough votes to influence a riding's vote. We can't vote as a bloc.

Correctamundo. Also, there are only two million gun owners in this country, and most of them do not appear to be single-issue voters.

The idea that C-68 cost the Liberals an election is pure bunk -- in fact, the Liberals held onto power through even the sponsorship scandal until the CPC got their act together and put together an election campaign that stomped Paul Martin fair and square. Gun policy had nothing to do with that -- by the time Martin trotted out a proposal for a handgun ban, he had already tanked in the polls.

[terrym]

If you want to take the most effective action you can, as an individual, write a letter.

I do that too but if it's ignored then my only recourse is to then put into the social media though. They can ignore me personally but can they ignore the Social media's audience? But I see your point. They are to some extent on the hook once there is a paper trail.

[JBen]

Letters Welsh are really no different than the broader public opinion.
1 letter as an individual is likewise a drop in the bucket. I also assume you don't realize how often votes are whipped...

When enough people write letters..............about certain subjects...well they start listening. No different than one person on Social media.

Most people who follow or study politics know that Apathy is perhaps one of the biggest problems today. If we all listened to you Welsh and didn't talk (or gripe) about X, be it here, or FB...Your griping that Terry should get involved, write letters to his MPs it will do more. Many might suggest getting involved, getting others involved (you know, by engaging people in political issues), more politically aware.........

And if you want another, one reason the Liberals are planning to electoral reform is "Apathy"....Which includes, the electorate feeling as though their votes don't count, the voices don't count.....


Getting people involved, taking to social media.....Just as Animal rights activist do ( and guess what.....it works). For but one example.
there's the glaring hole in your superior logic, and everyone else's inferior.

"Flippant disregard" for the power of social media
"Not showing a serious or respectful attitude." By definition.

I stand by the words, and my inferior logic

[welsh]

When enough people write letters..............about certain subjects...well they start listening.

Correct. Know how many letters it takes?

Four.

I have that from a guy who worked in an MP's office.

Most people who follow or study politics know that Apathy is perhaps one of the biggest problems today. If we all listened to you Welsh and didn't talk (or gripe) about X be it here, or FB...

You're a laugh riot when you try to be. My point is that complaining online, rather than getting in touch with your elected representative directly, is the very definition of political apathy. "Most votes are whipped, so there's no point in writing to your MP" is political apathy.

I'm not saying "don't post here." I'm saying that contacting your MP is the way to influence your MP.

Not sure why this is a controversial idea in your mind.