This dude is in big trouble.

[JoePa]

Sometimes it's a waste of time to try and explain things to someone who hasn't the foggiest idea of what is going on - this is one of those times - in the meantime - all is quiet on the southern front -

[jaycee]

What does that have to do with their constant state of fear?

In any event the right to bear arms is a joke. That was written hundreds of years ago, not to allow people to carry to the corner store. It was to allow a fledgling country without an army to protect itself against an oppressive Britain. It allowed the people of America to become their own militia and they'd need the right to their own munitions if so.

Fast forward a few hundred years and last time I checked Britain ain't coming to take over...oh and that nation without an army? They now have the most powerful military int the world.

What do the constitution clinger say to that?

I can answer it for you...they need these guns to protect themselves from the US government. Not making that up, this is what they hang on. It's pretty funny.

Definitely a figment of your imagination.
There are so many out there that are constantly saying it , "living in fear and yours, constant state of fear".
Show us definite proof , and I mean definite proof , not what you think about how they are living .

[sakimano]

Well we could quote the one American posting in this thread for starters

Certainly not a good sample size but interesting to hear his comments about being in fear for his safety when in Canada (because he doesn't have his weapons) to the point he carries bear spray.

In any event it's just an opinion. Not a theory tested by the scientific method. Feel free to prevent your opinion as to why Americans are so prone to gun violence and killing each other with those guns. Don't blame the 'black guys in detroit' either. That'd retarded.

[Big Jack]

Worry about our own back yard not his. He knows his homeland so let's not bash someone because you claim to know better. I know a few Americans and they are good folks and don't seem to be afraid of their shadow. I can guarantee you that they wouldn't be cowering in the corner as some crook stole a hard earned truck or endanger their family. They would likely see it as the same thing. You may not agree with their way of life but don't bash them either.

[jaycee]

Well we could quote the one American posting in this thread for starters

Certainly not a good sample size but interesting to hear his comments about being in fear for his safety when in Canada (because he doesn't have his weapons) to the point he carries bear spray.

In any event it's just an opinion. Not a theory tested by the scientific method. Feel free to prevent your opinion as to why Americans are so prone to gun violence and killing each other with those guns. Don't blame the 'black guys in detroit' either. That'd retarded.

If I were you, I would reread JoePa's post and reread it again so you understand what he said , this is his quote "carry bear spray because I often camp and fish in areas where there are bears and wolfs - that's why I have it .

All he is saying that he is prepared, no different than when I and my wife on camping trips into known bear country go prepared with a short barreled shotgun, and an emergency medical kit , just in case of a possible bear attack as the one that killed a doctor from Cambridge when she and her husband were camping around Chapleau.
Being prepared is hardly as you would claim , "living in fear " being prepared is being wise.

[JBen]

Against my better judgement.

Why do people fail so often to realize, the world is rarely black or white, normally a shade a grey. Or alternatively when faced with He said, she said (and where the truth lies). Or put simply can both sides be right?

Re gun deaths in the US and their so called "gun culture".
Do Americans live in fear?
Yes, hard to argue that. Recall hunting for a week with a couple guys from Maine, decent normal guys but hardly big city people. They lived in fear, so much that they wouldn't let their wives drives into town without carrying. Incase the car broke down and well the wrong person stopped to help them. Theres so much more that could be said on this.......How many Americans these days want to carry in movie theatres...millions. How many in schools...millions....Thats "fear based". I myself have teased Joe re the US govt. In so much as, if that day ever comes, it doesn't matter how well armed citizens are, resistance will be squashed like a bug. Just as fast as the Iraq army was....

Do all Americans? Hardly think so.

Me? I have zero problems with their "right to keep and bear arms". Do think they have serious problems, and don't understand why the gun lobby, gun owners are totally unwilling to sit down, bring in some controls that make sense, are effective, aren't the end of the world.
GC works, just look at Canada where we are so very similar, in so many things including having lots of firearms per capita. And yet, we don't have near the same "problems".

And finally as Big Jack said. Who are we to look down our noses at them or "bash" them, we have a ton of problems of our own. I am always amazed how quick we Canadians are to bash the US, or look down our noses at them. We certainly don't live in Utopia either. Funny last time I looked we reap so many benefits thanks to them and their way of life, we rely, yes rely on them and their arms to defend us and the way things are going in Ottawa that will be getting more reliant be it the war on terrorism, the Arctic and the NW Passage and more.......We Canadians, so fast to look down our noses, yet reap so many benefits, and then fast to hike our skirts and run from fights, fast to cry help us, defend ourselves..

Food for thought.

[Wahoo]

Do think they have serious problems, and don't understand why the gun lobby, gun owners are totally unwilling to sit down, bring in some controls that make sense, are effective, aren't the end of the world.
GC works, just look at Canada where we are so very similar, in so many things including having lots of firearms per capita. And yet, we don't have near the same "problems".

Compromise, when it comes to gun control, is ALWAYS about one side losing something. Which is the very antithesis of compromise.

Like what will, most likely, soon happen to us.

[JBen]

Perhaps.

Would be very hard to argue when you compare CDA to the U.S. to say GC doesn't work. There's more to it than our present controls/system, however. We don't have near the same problems with criminal elements, cops being executed, mass shootings, accidents in the home, and much more.

whether we need more, or improvements is a different arguement imo, as what we have is working.

[cantcatchacold]

I agree with Jben on the legal costs. Your trying to save a $30 000 truck that's insured from being stolen will cost you $50 000 in legal fees if your found innocent, more if guilty with spending on appeal and pardons.

[JoePa]

I don't know what would happen in Canada but if some guy is stealing my truck and I go out to stop him with a gun and he attacks me and I shoot him and the cops come and I tell them what happened - there will not be any charges filed against me - I didn't break any law - so I don't have any legal expenses to worry about - if you have the idea that you should let him take the truck because you have insurance - I can see why so many trucks are stolen up there - the crooks have nothing to worry about -