A divided nation

[JBen]

Bah Joe I get it.
The US is bashed a lot, must be frustrating to hear (and read).

Tell ya what, when it hits the fan and its my very strong belief it will. Sooner, rather than later...We had the underground railroad once upon a time, we can do it again. Make your way up here where the air is clean, the water fresh and where we Canucks while often a little smug rather than boorish do know how to make beer and "Canadian Bacon". And if its really bad as in find a deep dark cave bad, and I think it might be. Well find a way to bring all those guns with you. Were going to need them. Don't worry about border services, they to will be running for deep dark caves

[fishermccann]

Great if you were white, maybe not if you were gay , black. Hispanic, atheist, etc. This line says it all. ' we support things we were ashamed of years ago'. The question would be, what were you ashamed of, gay rights , segregation, women who vote? Be honest, the facts prove it, you are broke from too many wars.

[skypilot]

Great if you were white, maybe not if you were gay , black. Hispanic, atheist, etc. This line says it all. ' we support things we were ashamed of years ago'. The question would be, what were you ashamed of, gay rights , segregation, women who vote? Be honest, the facts prove it, you are broke from too many wars.

Oh I think we have money for at least one more.

Hang in there Joe, Billy says it best...............

[JBen]

Lol R.

G, theres a meme flying around FB the past week or so. It's a picture of Detroit, you know, that wasteland that looks like this?
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...c=0-0&sp=-1&sk=

It reads like this: Detroit 50 years of Liberal and Union rule:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...c=0-0&sp=-1&sk=

Are you so sure the US is broke, because of wars?

Last I checked Ontario never fought a war, and yet...
JT is running from one....and yet, he is pushing us down the same rabbit hole.

Shades of grey

[fishermccann]

The facts prove that the USA, did not have the money for the last 2 wars they started, they borrowed money , trillions and trillions to pay for them.

[JBen]

/point towards
Detroit
Ontario

[fishermccann]

JB why is it always the unions fault. Detroit is empty because the big 3 automakers found out they could make even MORE profits by sending the work to other countries with a lower standard of living. Unless the autoworkers agreed to a pay scale comparable to offshore workers those plants were doomed. People in North America cannot live on what they pay workers in Mexico, Korea, etc. Telemarketers, (duct cleaning anyone?), are not unionized but we ship those jobs overseas, why, because we have a minimum wage law.

[JBen]

You will make excuses for everything
1) not me blaming Unions or spending crazy "democratics" in this case. Millions and millions of Americans and specifically Detroiters, or rather former residents do.

Question: Why would, or why might "auto workers" feel they need high pay?
Greed?
Maybe not greed, but over valued sense of self?
Maybe neither of the above, but maybe due to the combined effects of high cost of living? The more they have to pay for X, the more they want, the more they are taxed, the more they...

You will often/usually point or justify the high cost of X, as being due to A) education B) skills/demands of the job. Which is fine
But
That then places more burden on the lowly factory grunts...who demand more to keep up, the company then hikes the price of its widgets, and that continues, until everyone wants more. Yells for more and if they get more, it hits the lowly factory worker who demands more to keep up with inflation..

Until one day the "company" be it big like GM or Ford or small with 10 employees
closes it doors and looks for more affordable places to operate.

You do the same G.
You shop at Walmart
Look for ways to save on your vacations
and more.

Willing to bet, if you had a nanny or housekeeper these days, what with soaring prices for this/that and taxation and who was yelling for more.....
Youd find someone willing to do it for less. Do do it, if not directly with your housekeeper, your accountant maybe? Using HR block these days instead of someone charging $200/hr or maybe quickbooks........So what its ok for you to find ways to reduce cost.......what about that accountant your to cheap to pay?

[fishermccann]

Big business will always go to where they have the least overhead, to MAXIMIZE profits. That is why they are in business , their reason for being, ever increasing income for the few with shares in the company. The walmart family with billions, what harm would it ever do them, to pay their employees a couple of dollars an hour more, none whatsoever, they would not even notice one less zero on the bottom line.

[JBen]

Well that's true and surely there is a better way. Are you telling me, that you to don't do the same?
Do you shop at Luongo's or Loblaws, or No Frills.

Order anything online instead of brick and mortar mom and pop shops?
Why do you shop online now. Is it because brick and mortar mom/pop shops aren't unionized?

If contractor A) says $15,000 to replace the windows in your house and B) Says $12,000
Who you hiring?

Do you pay someone to do your taxes?
Accountant: $300
HR Block: $70
QuickBooks: $10

Curious why you wont defend the accountants right to a job and income.