There is no justice.

[terrym]

[QUOTE=jaycee;966267]

No, we're not.

I hate when people make that or similar statements.

Some of us have moral compasses that govern how we live and what we do.
We're not perfect by any means, but we try to live "good lives" and that tends to keep the transgressions
on a much smaller scale than those who live recklessly without care for their or others safety.

Something bad happens and people say "It could happen to anyone". Sometimes true, but more often
its a consequence of a risky action that that "Could only happen to any fool who takes risky actions without regard for consequences."[/QU0TE ]

Most definitely agree with your post !

What he said ^^^^

[trimmer21]

In the USA they stack the sentences so he would have got 40 yrs down there. I like that system.

That would be good if that was accurate,but,alas,it's not. US justice,in almost all jurisdictions,is woefully slow on the uptake that drunk driving should be treated the same as homicide. If you do the research of the US Justice Department,it's readily evident that their attitudes are,at least,where ours was thirty years ago. Judges in district courts still routinely grant limted driving priviledges to convicted drunk drivers to go to work,get groceries and,get this,drive kids to school. I have a nephew from the US who was busted for impaired use of a snowmobile and was released on a "Promise to Appear" here in Ontario. That was in 2001. He went back home and essentially forgot about it thinking the "statute of limitations" would run out (hot flash for the dumb Yank.WE don't have any). Fast forward to 2013 when he wanted to come up here for a family function and it was good he checked on his status,first. The whole family down there were quite aghast to find out there's a warrant for his arrest and if he had have went to the border,he would be going right straight to jail and would be staying there until his trial started. He literally can NOT come to Canada until this is rectified. They just don't get it down there. They have a very long way to go.

[Mattones]

With this ending the way it did I am waiting to see the outcome of the Tim Bosma case. Our system is a Joke and needs a overhaul. But I have a feeling there are too many bleeding hearts out there that will fight a overhaul because it will cost a more housing these criminals long term. but again everyone complains about cases like this and how our system is a joke.

a co worker says bringing back the death penalty could cut costs and make these people think twice before acting. but that's behind us now.

[skypilot]

http://www.madd.org/laws/law-overvie...e_Overview.pdf

Approximate Jail or Prison Sentences Possible inTraffic Crash Deaths Caused by a Drunk Driver*Alabama: 1 to 10 yearsAlaska: 1 to 99 yearsArizona: 1 to 22 yearsArkansas: 5 to 20 yearsCalifornia: 0 to 10 yearsColorado: 0 to 24 yearsConnecticut: 1 to 10 yearsDelaware: 1 to 5 yearsDC: 0 to 30 yearsFlorida: 0 to 15 yearsGeorgia: 0 to 15 yearsHawaii: 0 to 10 yearsIdaho: 0 to 15 yearsIllinois: 1 to 28 yearsIndiana: 2 to 20 yearsIowa: 1 to 25 yearsKansas: 0 to 172 monthsKentucky: 0 to 10 yearsLouisiana: 3 to 30 yearsMaine: 6 months to 10 yearsMaryland: 0 to 5 yearsMassachusetts: 30 days to 15 yearsMichigan: 0 to 20 yearsMinnesota: 0 to 10 yearsMississippi: 5 to 25 yearsMissouri: 0 to 15 yearsMontana: 0 to 30 yearsNebraska: 1 to 50 yearsNevada: 2 to 25 yearsNew Hampshire: 0 to 15 yearsNew Jersey: 5 to 10 yearsNew Mexico: 0 to 6 yearsNew York: 0 to 15 yearsNorth Carolina: 15 to 480 monthsNorth Dakota: 0 to lifeimprisonmentOhio: 1 to 15 yearsOklahoma: 0 to 1 yearOregon: 0 to 20 yearsPennsylvania: 0 to 10 yearsRhode Island: 5 to 20 yearsSouth Carolina: 1 to 25 yearsSouth Dakota: 0 to 15 yearsTennessee: 8 to 60 yearsTexas: 2 to 20 yearsUtah: 0 to 15 yearsVermont: 1 to 15 yearsVirginia: 1 to 20 yearsWashington: 31 to 177 monthsWest Virginia: 90 days to 10 yearsWisconsin: 0 to 40 yearsWyoming: 0 to 20 years*Time is listed as approximate as an offender may be charged withother crimes which may add on to the sentence.

[Fenelon]

What I find alarming is that driving drunk is still such a generally accepted practice. One of my friends is a City Of kawartha Lakes OPP, and it amazes me when I see her after a shift. It is completely routine to charge 3 or 4 people in a 10 hour shift with impaired. Usually several warnings in the same shift. And this during normal day shifts (not during special ride checks during holidays). It's usually not the repeat offender either, so there are a ton of people doing it on a regular basis. The message doesn't seem to be getting through, and the person's view of the consequences must be minor).

[skypilot]

It's a shame that people can't be responsible with cars and alcohol. It almost seems it has an allure that is conducive to driving around and drinking.

I always thought that if folks could work a shift with me they would never drink and drive again. The bloody cleanup, the destroyed futures, the helplessness you feel when informing the next of kin. You'd think any one of those would deter anyone, much less the combination. However it's just not a deterrent.

I have literally caught Rescue Fireman and Cops DUI. I know they have to witness just as bad of a mess as I do with drinking and driving but I still caught them. I don't mean caught randomly or accidentally, I mean extremely drunk and swerving on the equivalent of the 401 and headed into another State(the fireman).

Their wives and children travel those same roads too.
I just don't get it.

Sometimes justice is only poetic.

[The Phoenix]

There is no justice, only LAW. Some while back we lost the "justice" when the source of law changed. We also lost our knowledge of freedom, and we lost the basis for what Werner calls a moral compass. "Without morals we can have no freedom", without ethics grounded solidly upon God, there is no morality and the "moral" compass is all messed up. So when you have a legal system based on what is expedient, and not what is ethical or moral, there can be no justice.

[rick_iles]

The courts don't take impaired driving seriously . Around here, they are allowing impairds to plead guilty to careless driving and withdrawing the impaird charges....! Something seriously wrong there.

[MarkB]

There is no justice, only LAW. Some while back we lost the "justice" when the source of law changed. We also lost our knowledge of freedom, and we lost the basis for what Werner calls a moral compass. "Without morals we can have no freedom", without ethics grounded solidly upon God, there is no morality and the "moral" compass is all messed up. So when you have a legal system based on what is expedient, and not what is ethical or moral, there can be no justice.

Excellent words.

[stragglelake]

The courts don't take impaired driving seriously . Around here, they are allowing impairds to plead guilty to careless driving and withdrawing the impaird charges....! Something seriously wrong there.

That is exactly the problem !!
No use having RIDE programs and advertising programs if your just going to water it all down in the end.