Why So Few Diesel Options?

[cantcatchacold]

Had a great Mazda diesel in Ireland last trip. Car was too big though for our little roads lol but spending 20 euros on fuel for the two weeks was nice

[Fox]

I agree, diesel cars are the norm there and we get electric, why?

[Oddmott]

Had a great Mazda diesel in Ireland last trip. Car was too big though for our little roads lol but spending 20 euros on fuel for the two weeks was nice

The Tucson was pretty oversized as well... But I loved every minute of the driving. We covered nearly 2000kms and only 300km was on the hwys. The rest was all the tight n twisty country lanes where you're holding your breath around most corners. Lol

It was like a roller coaster you are controlling. With a high chance of colliding with another coaster on a blind corner or hill.

[Species8472]

What's the point of having an engine that gets 300000 miles in a body gets only 150 thou?

Depends on how much you drive. My last 3/4 ton had 644k on it when it was retired. That was in 8 years. Only regular maintenance other than the front end at about 450k. 25% of those kms were towing 12-13k.

Replaced it with a 1 ton 2015 Sierra that I have put 65k on in the last 8 months. Its a 9000lb truck and best calculated mileage so far is 29.6 mpg (9.5 L/100) on a run from Orangeville to Fort Frances. Towing 13k I get 16 mpg as long as I keep a light foot.

Interestingly the best highway mileage I ever got with the 3/4 ton was 25.5 mpg and towing the same trailer load I was getting 13mpg. Both the old and new truck had/have the 6.6 L Duramax diesel.

For most the premium does not make sense but in my case it pays off pretty fast (less than 3 years).

[Fox]

Depends on how much you drive. My last 3/4 ton had 644k on it when it was retired. That was in 8 years. Only regular maintenance other than the front end at about 450k. 25% of those kms were towing 12-13k.

Replaced it with a 1 ton 2015 Sierra that I have put 65k on in the last 8 months. Its a 9000lb truck and best calculated mileage so far is 29.6 mpg (9.5 L/100) on a run from Orangeville to Fort Frances. Towing 13k I get 16 mpg as long as I keep a light foot.

Interestingly the best highway mileage I ever got with the 3/4 ton was 25.5 mpg and towing the same trailer load I was getting 13mpg. Both the old and new truck had/have the 6.6 L Duramax diesel.

For most the premium does not make sense but in my case it pays off pretty fast (less than 3 years).

That mileage is crazy, we put 100K on my Matrix in 2 years and I thought that was intense. I would love one of these bad boys in Ontario.

http://www.toyota-gib.com/eng/models...#Specification

[rf2]

Why so few diesels in North America? They have trouble meeting the emission standards here, which are more stringent than the European standards. In NA, vehicles must meet the same standards whether they use gasoline or diesel. In Europe, there are different (less stringent) standards for diesel powered vehicles than gasoline powered vehicles. Despite this, they still have difficulty meeting the emission standards there (read up on the current situation with VW and other related companies, both in EU and NA). I've traveled in Europe a bit, and the difference in air quality compared to North America is quite noticeable, at least compared to the areas of NA that I have been in.

[Oddmott]

Rf2 I was under the impression newer diesels have no problem meeting NA emissions requirements, that it was only really the early 2000s and older diesels that had problems.

At least Mazda has plans to introduce the CX5 With the skyactiv D engine in NA soon. Maybe that'll prime the market a bit.

[last5oh_302]

My understanding is the diesels can meet NA standards but, they get way worse mileage because of all the emissions equipment.

[rf2]

The VW (et al) issue is with 2009-2015 model year vehicles. It's been in the news a lot lately.

Rf2 I was under the impression newer diesels have no problem meeting NA emissions requirements, that it was only really the early 2000s and older diesels that had problems.

At least Mazda has plans to introduce the CX5 With the skyactiv D engine in NA soon. Maybe that'll prime the market a bit.

[rf2]

Certainly diesels can be made to meet the standards, but to do so has consequences - as you mentioned, there is an impact on the mileage, performance, cost. All of these things are factored into the calculations made by the manufacturers when they determine which products to bring to which markets. I'm suggesting that the difference in the emissions standards in an important factor which determines why there are more diesels in the EU vs NA.

My understanding is the diesels can meet NA standards but, they get way worse mileage because of all the emissions equipment.