Is this a JOKE!!! (bear)

[SK33T3R]

the spring bear hunt was shut down 20 yrs ago. Yes it was a shock and financial kick in the nuts. But those that survived have upped their services in cottage rentals - fishing, atving, vacations etc. And they still had all the fall hunting. Now there is a spring hunt and this is an added time to increase their revenues and ADD to what they're currently earning. This is like getting a raise. My point in my previous post was that in stead of trying to make the cash by bringing as many clients as possible why not cater to fewer clients and sell a better product. fewer clients need fewer baits which require less work. You could essentially end up at the same financial spot! If your current baiting methods are wearing you out maybe it's time to change the methods. Less bait per site, fewer trips to each site, targeting and only feeding your target bear. And then harvesting the target bear for financially a lot more then selling cheap hunts for cubs and yearlings. Remember - cubs and yearlings are you're inventory for the future!
I think it's time for all to get on the thinking caps and start thinking out side the box. The days of just loading up barrels with endless amounts of bait is prehistoric thinking and backbreaking effort.

[skull]

the spring bear hunt was shut down 20 yrs ago. Yes it was a shock and financial kick in the nuts. But those that survived have upped their services in cottage rentals - fishing, atving, vacations etc. And they still had all the fall hunting. Now there is a spring hunt and this is an added time to increase their revenues and ADD to what they're currently earning. This is like getting a raise. My point in my previous post was that in stead of trying to make the cash by bringing as many clients as possible why not cater to fewer clients and sell a better product. fewer clients need fewer baits which require less work. You could essentially end up at the same financial spot! If your current baiting methods are wearing you out maybe it's time to change the methods. Less bait per site, fewer trips to each site, targeting and only feeding your target bear. And then harvesting the target bear for financially a lot more then selling cheap hunts for cubs and yearlings. Remember - cubs and yearlings are you're inventory for the future!
I think it's time for all to get on the thinking caps and start thinking out side the box. The days of just loading up barrels with endless amounts of bait is prehistoric thinking and backbreaking effort.

SK33t3R Buy outfitter business and then we'll talk
do you have an idea how many people I have they shot 100 pound bear and they were so happy and come back the following year
not everybody can afford $3000 hunt
Not everybody is a trophy Hunter
The bottom line is they screw up the whole Hunting industry in Ontario and will never going to be the same

[gowbushkon]

I agree with Skull, cutting your prices does not entice a non-resident to hunt with you, even if you have big bears. We have had some hunters say we are not charging enough and remember the trophy price is only if the hunter shots a trophy bear, they did not get to be trophy bears by being predictable and waiting for the hunter. Perhaps if the government told you that you could only do 6 brake jobs a year then you could understand our situation. We got no notice of this change so no time to react to the new rules.

[sawbill]

In typical MNR fashion they've managed to mess even the spring bear hunt up.
In just one case nearby an outfitter has 15 hunters booked for this spring hunt. MNR gives him 12 tags for the entire season yet gives residents an extra tag? Now he has to return money and cancel his fall hunt. How can an outfitter survive with these management decisions?
Chapleau, who have been on a quota system for a few years went from 1 bear per 50 sq km to 1 bear per 70 sq km. but the residents get an extra tag?

[chris lavoie]

Not that I didn't believe you Sawbill, but I checked with NOTO on what your saying. You are 100% correct on this. She (Laura) is having a meeting with the minister this week.

I myself have heard nothing from local OMNRF, but......

[SK33T3R]

TO AL MY OUTFITTER FRIENDS

I didn't think my last 2 posts would be that popular and if you've ever read anything I post about the MNR - I am not kind! I have nothing but respect for the CO's and the front line workers! BUT my hatred and distain and distrust goes deep for the policy makers. These are the back benchers that have been steering the ship up on the rocks, right over the rocks, up on the beach, and now 100 yds into the woods -(if that's possible).

I feel for all you guys and if this new quota thing is not corrected then my statements made were an attempt to maybe get some of you guys to find an alternative and stay in the game.

If it was me I'd almost tell the MNR to keep their friggin BMA. I know it would be hard to throw it in their face but if enough did it then maybe they'd back off.


I will be curious to see how many moose hunters - pack it in this year!

As much as I'd love to see 2nd tags I can agree that there shouldn't be 2nd tags as long as there's restrictions on you guys.

Just doesn't make any sense?????

[SK33T3R]

SK33t3R Buy outfitter business and then we'll talk
I have tried but there isn't a BMA where I hunt
do you have an idea how many people I have they shot 100 pound bear and they were so happy and come back the following year
I agree entirely BUT for you to keep your business viable with these new quota's something has to change.
not everybody can afford $3000 hunt
Agree again - but how do you justify the investment in time/effort and money to give out cheap hunts on a quota.
Not everybody is a trophy Hunter
Agree again! wholeheartedly - but working man priced bear hunts with the quota will mean you're working for free.
The bottom line is they screw up the whole Hunting industry in Ontario and will never going to be the same
BINGO! This statement is everything in a nut shell!


Why don't you guys live trap 10 or 20 bears and bring them down to Toronto and let them go!

[chris lavoie]

Well just got back from the post office. There was a letter in the box from the district office pertaining to sustainability of bears within my BMA's.

I have an appointment with the BMA official this afternoon.


fishermccann, bears are not possessions of anyone or thing. Wild animals which need to be harvested to manage the population. Outfitters are going to be allotted a sustainable number of tags. There is a worry by the OMNRF that there will be a dramatic increase in bear harvest by residents who will be taking up bear hunting for the first time.

[werner.reiche]

One question I have to ask is, are these bears for the enjoyment of Ontario residents to hunt, or for outfitters to make money off, by selling them to foreigners?

They aren't sold by outfitters (unlike moose tags) - the outfitter sell guiding services.
The bear quota system is incredibly stupid since we already have BMAs in place.

[fishermccann]

I removed my post because I felt it may be to inflammatory, but thanks for the answer , that explains it.