Originally Posted by woody1948
Latest sat imagery indicates fire almost surrounding Ft Mac South, from the South to NWest across river, up the West side of town and North East across River. Only the very North and from North Downtown to the North on East side of river unburned.
Amazing job for authorities to evac that many with one road and the thought in the back of their minds about their own homes and families. Kudos
His twee yesterday, was um rather lack lustre. Which for the shiny pony, who loves the lustre is telling.
"Thought's with Fort Mac and remember to follow evacuation orders" Or something like that.
Yeah, thats our leader.
That's proof positive that if someone doesn't tell him what to say,he doesn't know whether his arse is punched or bored. Jysys,what a piece of work.
He has to be the worst speaker I've seen in awhile ? I'm not ah professional speaker ah but it's no ah secret you loose ah the audience when ah it's ah not ah fluent ? Embarrassing to say the least !
The "ahs" are pauses so his brain can catch up to his mouth.........in ain't workin'......
Have been reading various things that started hitting the press yesterday, and theres more today ( old habits die hard I guess).
We are looking at a massive price tag, as is Alberta. Remind me what kind of shape ALTA is in........Remind me how much JT and his illustrious finance minister are already going into debt............
There are fears that if they don't put the breaks on it soon, it might spread to some of the oil sands projects. In which case the damage and losses could be catastrophic. Oil is already spiking today............
They are already predicting Insurance claims are going to be hundreds, hundreds of millions. If not 1 billion. If it spreads to any of the projects.....look out....
Suppose this is where we remind young JT and Ms Wynne before him and all those Liberals who love to spend and vote for it, this is but one reason why one shouldn't spend like mad.
Suppose this is where we remind Canada and JT, that when 1 young boy washed up on a beach he wanted to move mountains. Fast tracked 60,000 refugees and more.
90,000 Canadians who have fled a "war zone" and lost everything....And where its potentially threatening a lot more, including the economy.
Whole lot of feel good pressers and some feel good measures, when really he should be throwing everything we can at it. Stop it, before it gets worse and get those people home and rebuild. that would be expensive though.............
http://business.financialpost.com/ne...aging-infernos
Last edited by JBen; May 5th, 2016 at 03:11 PM.
JBen,
I heard on the radio that insurance companies aren't giving an estimate on the price tag as adjusters haven't hit the ground yet. However, a Bank of Canada person had named a very rough estimate of $9 Billion and that is probably very conservative. You have to think the entire population (80 000) have been evacuated. Right now, some residents have had their houses burn right down to the foundation while others will have massive smoke damage. Who knows what tomorrow will bring? Farmers will have lost crops and livestock. People aren't working and will need to be supported. Businesses may have to be rebuilt. Doing a quick calculation 80 000 people x $125 000 insurance claim/property (this is probably a low average) equals $10 billion. This isn't taking into account businesses which will need to be rebuilt or the fact the people displaced will need to be supported until their lives are rebuilt (you aren't going to be able to rebuild/repair everyone's houses all at once) or if the fire reaches the oil sands.
Right now, the right thing is to get everyone who needs evacuated, out. I know a lot of people went north and they could very well need to be moved if the wind shifts again. If Fort McMurray burns to the ground, so be it. Those are things. The people are the most important resource in Fort McMurray. Let's worry about them and not make this about politics. All of the federal parties have called cease fire over this for now. I think we need to do the same.
As for throwing everything we can at it, I believe the current conditions are such that fighting the fire is a losing battle. It has developed it's own winds and weather patterns, lighting is coming from the clouds it is creating (which no doubt will touch off other fires), the fire is in an urban center now (which has it's own difficulties) and the current weather conditions (spring, very little rain, etc) are allowing the main fire to continue burning. Chad Morrison of Alberta Forestry has said air tankers are not going to stop the fire and the fire will continue to burn through the dry conditions until there is significant rain. So no matter how much we throw at this fire, until Mother Nature decides to help us or it runs out of fuel, we are swimming upstream. This fire is out of control at this point which means no amount of human intervention is going to stop it. The most we can hope for is that the winds shift favourably to keep the fire movement in a better direction than the city so the firefighters (both municipal and the smoke jumpers who are helping the municipal firefighters) trying to protect what is left of Fort McMurray are safe and can save something of the city. At this stage (civilians have been evacuated), diverting every availalbe resource at this fire leaves other areas vulnerable. I have every confidence BC would help if that help didn't strain their own fire-fighting resources. Ontario is sending 100 firefighters to help. Would you send more if it meant someone a person on the boards (for example TurkeyRookie) could lose everything if a fire couldn't be contained up north? It is a tough decision to make about how much help to send.
Dyth
Are they doing all they can? Hard to say, certainly the main fire may be out of control. Preventing it (fire breaks and more) from spreading north of FM or to the oil sands? However the main point there you missed, is the "cost" and well, with Alberta already hurting having gone on a spending spree, and oil revenues.....Or just look here at home and what happens when you spend lots, and things go in the tank....
Likewise Federally, what with 130billion in promised spending. A 30 billion dollar deficit already in the books, Im guessing they are regretting blowing through the 7.5b surplus Harper left them....
Now this.
See also how its shut down the oil industry...and what that alone is doing to Canadas oil output/exports.
As many are now posting on Facebook.
They moved mountains to get refugees here, and threw 1.6billion at it very fast. While this doesn't tell the whole story and isn't accurate, thus far "matching Red Cross donations".
True the priority right "now" is the safety of people. The price tags come later..
Looks at Alberta before this.....what work are they going back to?
Looks at Ontario likewise in the crapper
Looks at the Federal budget
and what right now, before the total cost (including livestock and more) is remotely able to be tallied, is going to be one massive price tag.
Last edited by JBen; May 6th, 2016 at 09:26 AM.
Perspective
https://youtu.be/ICLPyhSdPlA
Its been said that the only thing that can stop this fire is rain and lots of it.
The latest, as of midnight. The animation that shows its spread is mind boggling.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle29930041/
And hope Im not misunderstood, but the response from Ottawa leaves me less than impressed.
~Fire could double in size over the weekend, officials say
- Canada will seek U.S. help if needed: minister
- "If needed"...Anyone with half a brain suspected/feared on Tuesday and knew on Wednesday this was going to be catastrophic...
Its miracle people got out without loss of life, that people didn't get trapped on gridlocked roads and more. Be that as it may, all thats left now is to pray for a change in weather, help those caught in it, and then somewhere down the road pick up the pieces and pay an enormous bill.
Last edited by JBen; May 7th, 2016 at 03:48 AM.
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