Happy Medium rifle for partridge and black bear protection?

[Hunter John]

[terrym]

Just remember that when bear or any big game season is open, if you don't have a bear or the right big game tags, you can not carry slugs or shot over #2 ( in lead) or BBB (in steel).

Very good point.

[JBen]

The age old debate.
Spray or shoot it

How many guys sitting in a stand with all the time in the world ( and not scared witless) shoot Bears and only wound them. Ask Outfitters and they will tell you lots. The week I spent at Golden Eagle if I recall correctly 3 were shot and not recovered. I joined the lead guide Byron in tracking one. That was not fun, especially when after 100 yards or so, we knew it wasn't going to be found piled up. He was the only person carrying a gun. Why? Because last year in BC a group of 6 tracked a bear, it charged. One of the party was shot and killed. Hurt by the bear? No-one.
Blood trail pic




Not hard at all to see how and why person get shot tracking bears. There were plenty of occasions when the bush was dark or thick enough that it could have been very angry, and within feet without knowing it.

I also joined him one day on his rounds baiting all the stations. He only brought Spray in.

How effective is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnACum4SJs

Maybe an answer to the debate?

[COLOR=#000000]To find out if bear spray is as effective as guns, Servheen and colleagues with the U.S. Interagency Grizzly Bear Study Team[COLOR=#000000] conducted a ten-year analysis in the 1990s, which found that people who defended themselves against bears with firearms suffered injury 50 percent of the time, while those outfitted with bear spray evaded injury most of the time.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2...ls-bear-spray/

Wind is a concern, but if Im ever unlucky enough to be in position
1) Extremely rare situation and 2) loud noises aren't enough and 3) A shot in the air doesn't work....and I have to grab a can of spray.
Well as long as it works on the bear before I end up in the fetal position whimpering...Im ok with that

[terrym]

The odds of a bear attack are very low for whatever reason. Startling, guarding food, protecting Cubs whatever. But if you are that unlucky one in a million and do get attacked it will likely happen very fast and your best chance at surviving will be what you have in your hands. Not in a day pack, or holster. Any shotgun fired into a bear's face at point blank range will work. If I'm concerned about bears I carry a double barrel shotgun. We instinctively snap shoot at grouse and woodcock pretty sure instincts will kick in on a charging bear. When baiting I don't carry just make lots of noise going in. I also spray bug repellant when I Get there to get bears used to that scent for when I hunt and use it. I have witnessed a sow bear beat the snot out of a boar on a bait site. The only thing I trust is a shotgun.

[skeeter1]

Come on lets call this what it is, an excuse to carry a gun (which I am quite alright with ). If we were really concerned about ouur "safety" we would never use a lawn mower without eye protection while wearing sneakers, hunt unless wearing eye and ear protection all of the time, always wear our seatbelt and observe the posted speed limit, I could go on and on...........

[terrym]

I always wear a seatbelt......

[skeeter1]

I always wear a seatbelt......

LOL and the others??

[pbonura]

The age old debate.
Spray or shoot it

How many guys sitting in a stand with all the time in the world ( and not scared witless) shoot Bears and only wound them. Ask Outfitters and they will tell you lots. The week I spent at Golden Eagle if I recall correctly 3 were shot and not recovered. I joined the lead guide Byron in tracking one. That was not fun, especially when after 100 yards or so, we knew it wasn't going to be found piled up. He was the only person carrying a gun. Why? Because last year in BC a group of 6 tracked a bear, it charged. One of the party was shot and killed. Hurt by the bear? No-one.
Blood trail pic




Not hard at all to see how and why person get shot tracking bears. There were plenty of occasions when the bush was dark or thick enough that it could have been very angry, and within feet without knowing it.

I also joined him one day on his rounds baiting all the stations. He only brought Spray in.

How effective is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnACum4SJs

Maybe an answer to the debate?



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2...ls-bear-spray/

Wind is a concern, but if Im ever unlucky enough to be in position
1) Extremely rare situation and 2) loud noises aren't enough and 3) A shot in the air doesn't work....and I have to grab a can of spray.
Well as long as it works on the bear before I end up in the fetal position whimpering...Im ok with that

Exactly why my friend only tracks alone or only tracks in legal light with a gun and only carries a gun and his job is bear outfitting and he has been buff charged before and only baits with bear spray.

[seabast]

Sorry to hijack this thread but what gun should I carry for gang protection down in the GTA? Might go to the mall this week end and after all I heard I'm kind of scared....

[Snowwalker]

I was going to mention that.
I think it includes the 22hornet as its a centre fire. But I'm not sure.


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22 hornet is over the 400 ft/lb energy limit. But bear season is so long that you just need the tag. Karen and I buy them just like an insurance policy.


asked, "Was that bear really a danger to you?" It does not matter because I had a tag to take it.