50 killed in Florida

[jaycee]

First of all you start out your rambling with a error - I said - when a guy comes into a place and starts shooting - you took off with the idea that I was talking about this gay bar - I wouldn't be caught dead in such a place so things would not follow what you think would happen - you put me in a place where I would never be - so everything you said about the furniture and everything else is not relevant - - second - I practice a lot with my firearm and can get many accurate shots off in a short time span - i third - I'm a Korean combat vet so shooting at people or getting shot at doesn't make me fall to pieces - too often people like you judge others based on how you would feel about things and the little experience you have - which often times is no where near what a real man would do - that's one of the big problems we have today - too many wimps and not enough real men around - I grew up when men were men and girls were girls - today half the time you can't tell them apart - be careful and don't stab yourself with the knitting needle -

JoePa, i think it's time for you to put on the old cardigan, sit in your old rocker and enjoy Perry Como's song " Dream Along With Me " which i think you have been listening to it for a long time and dreaming.
Your "gun fighting days are over " long ago !

[skypilot]

Freedom is never free....a concept completely lost on an entire generation of Canadians too willing to let the "nanny staters" systemically remove them a little at a time until they're all gone. Then,they'll sit back and wonder WTF happened.



If they do their background checks for Security Guards like we do or the Americans do for TSAgents,I wouldn't count on it. Most of the rent-a-cops can't walk and chew gum at the same time.



Excellent points on your President,but,I also notice that our CBC avoided any reference to Islamic terror and Muslims in the same sentence. Political correctness is what will kill western civilization,not terrorism.

You are correct Trimmer on the likelihood of a decent background check prior to employment. I just realized he worked for G4S.
The company that brought us the London Olympics scandal due to manpower deficiencies.

They likely would need warm bodies over trustworthy bodies.

[Dythbringer]

First of all you start out your rambling with a error - I said - when a guy comes into a place and starts shooting - you took off with the idea that I was talking about this gay bar - I wouldn't be caught dead in such a place so things would not follow what you think would happen - you put me in a place where I would never be - so everything you said about the furniture and everything else is not relevant - - second - I practice a lot with my firearm and can get many accurate shots off in a short time span - i third - I'm a Korean combat vet so shooting at people or getting shot at doesn't make me fall to pieces - too often people like you judge others based on how you would feel about things and the little experience you have - which often times is no where near what a real man would do - that's one of the big problems we have today - too many wimps and not enough real men around - I grew up when men were men and girls were girls - today half the time you can't tell them apart - be careful and don't stab yourself with the knitting needle -

JoePa,

Sigh. I had hoped you could understand the meaning of the message rather than nitpick the post. You are a small, ignorant man who lives in a fantasy world where your one outlet seems to be he can be a hero who guns down bad guys. I have posted what is wrong with your solution to a shooting in a crowded place but you seem not to understand. So I am going to try to boil it down to the essence of it in hopes you can understand it. In a situation like the one on Saturday night, you have reiterated time and time again you would introduce more chaos and panic into an already tense situation. That you would make a bad situation much worse in a childish attempt to live out an attempt to be a hero is reason enough that you should never be placed into a situation which requires you to make that decision to become involved.

As for being able to get many accurate shots off in a short time, shooting at something you want to hit should never be rushed whatever the target maybe. The fact you seem to think the amount of times you pull the trigger in a given time frame is important means you really missed the point of what I was saying. The more times you pull the trigger, the increased chance of something going wrong and you killing an innocent person despite any skills which you may or may not have. Skills, I might add, which are 63 years old unless you have somehow convinced someone to try to shoot at you while you return fire. See the funny thing about what you are doing (being an Monday morning armchair quarterback) is that you can analyse how you would react to a situation which is now hypothetical for you without all the nasty fallout of having to live through it. You can pretend you would be a crack shot under the massive stampede of human bodies and any actions you would do wouldn't have any consequences to it.

Lastly, you have no idea my experiences in my life. You imply I, or anyone else, who would question you about your asinine ideas on how a man should behave is somehow less of a man than 50 years ago. I don't care what you think of me. However, please allow me to tell you, you are a dinosaur of a human being whose day is long past and whose ideas can't leave this world fast enough. I actually pity you because of you are trying to hold on to a by-gone era which wasn't as rosy as you think it was.

Dyth

[smallgamer]

I hate to jump on JoePa, because for various reasons I enjoy most of his posts. But somewhere in the avalanche of information coming forth since the atrocity I heard (read?) that the shooter engaged a total of fourteen police officers in three gunfights prior to being killed. Fourteen officers. Three gun fights. That doesn't reflect well on the theory of an armed civilian being able to stop the massacre, unless that civilian happened to be standing right next to the shooter when the carnage began.

On another note, here's something a friend of mine posted on Facebook Sunday. He happens to be a member of the OOD community, but hasn't been active in a while. It is one of the better pieces of commentary, professional or amateur, that I have read since the atrocity. I am sharing it because I hope some will read it and take it to heart. I have over the last two or three years, and particularily in the last year, found my position on many contentious issues softening as I look for the grain of truth in the positions of those I have disagreed with. Thus I found myself nodding in agreement with what he has written, in fact I agree with every word.

He wrote:


Well, yet another tragedy has unfolded and the Internet is already on fire, fingers pointing, while countless voices spout an array of hatred which to no surprise, was the very cause of this disaster. Some are shouting about religion, others about firearms, and their opposers feverishly struggle to whip up their rebuttals in an endless circle rather than linear progress toward agreeable policies befitting the multitude of cultures within our society. Inevitably, discussion turns into arguments, and arguments breakdown further into the same level of extremism preached by those who are claiming responsibility for this event. It's okay to be gay. It's okay to be Muslim. It's okay to be straight. It's okay to be atheist, Christian, a firearms owner, an anti firearm advocate. It's okay to believe the sky is purple and mankind is the product of an unimaginably advanced alien species who visited earth a million years ago--I may think it makes you crazy, but it's okay to believe what you want. Your right to believe is of no more value than anothers right to disagree. Your right to disagree does not supersede anothers right to believe. It's okay to be different, and ultimately it's what makes life together so interesting and amazing. But your right to be different ends when your beliefs become forced upon another human being. Forcing another individual to adhere to your perspective is exactly what happened here, and was accomplished in the gravest and most severe manners. So, you want to make a difference? Instead of criticizing the infinite walks of life among mankind, how about you show a little bit of courtesy? Stop complaining about religion. Stop complaining about firearms. Stop complaining about gay people. Stop complaining about gun free zones. Stop the rhetoric on all sides, and cease your efforts to force another human being to adhere to your views. After all, that's exactly what led to this latest mass shooting.

[trimmer21]

I hate to jump on JoePa, because for various reasons I enjoy most of his posts. But somewhere in the avalanche of information coming forth since the atrocity I heard (read?) that the shooter engaged a total of fourteen police officers in three gunfights prior to being killed. Fourteen officers. Three gun fights. That doesn't reflect well on the theory of an armed civilian being able to stop the massacre, unless that civilian happened to be standing right next to the shooter when the carnage began.

On another note, here's something a friend of mine posted on Facebook Sunday. He happens to be a member of the OOD community, but hasn't been active in a while. It is one of the better pieces of commentary, professional or amateur, that I have read since the atrocity. I am sharing it because I hope some will read it and take it to heart. I have over the last two or three years, and particularily in the last year, found my position on many contentious issues softening as I look for the grain of truth in the positions of those I have disagreed with. Thus I found myself nodding in agreement with what he has written, in fact I agree with every word.

He wrote:


Well, yet another tragedy has unfolded and the Internet is already on fire, fingers pointing, while countless voices spout an array of hatred which to no surprise, was the very cause of this disaster. Some are shouting about religion, others about firearms, and their opposers feverishly struggle to whip up their rebuttals in an endless circle rather than linear progress toward agreeable policies befitting the multitude of cultures within our society. Inevitably, discussion turns into arguments, and arguments breakdown further into the same level of extremism preached by those who are claiming responsibility for this event. It's okay to be gay. It's okay to be Muslim. It's okay to be straight. It's okay to be atheist, Christian, a firearms owner, an anti firearm advocate. It's okay to believe the sky is purple and mankind is the product of an unimaginably advanced alien species who visited earth a million years ago--I may think it makes you crazy, but it's okay to believe what you want. Your right to believe is of no more value than anothers right to disagree. Your right to disagree does not supersede anothers right to believe. It's okay to be different, and ultimately it's what makes life together so interesting and amazing. But your right to be different ends when your beliefs become forced upon another human being. Forcing another individual to adhere to your perspective is exactly what happened here, and was accomplished in the gravest and most severe manners. So, you want to make a difference? Instead of criticizing the infinite walks of life among mankind, how about you show a little bit of courtesy? Stop complaining about religion. Stop complaining about firearms. Stop complaining about gay people. Stop complaining about gun free zones. Stop the rhetoric on all sides, and cease your efforts to force another human being to adhere to your views. After all, that's exactly what led to this latest mass shooting.

Uncommon common sense,right there,for sure.

[terrym]

wise words.

[Hunter John]

That was brilliant Smallgamer. actually I would like to use it if you think it would be ok.

[JoePa]

Well Dyth - what you are basically saying is that any attempt by an armed good guy to take out a shooter is a waste of time - well that is exactly what happened and you have 100 people shot -

Small' - the words put forth by your friend sound nice - it basically preaches tolerance - but to be realistic it won't work - a society that is built on that foundation will never last - because you will have people pulling in different and often times in opposite directions - if some people think that murder is wrong but others think that it is ok under many circumstances - do those who think it is wrong just sit by and let the others murder people - I should say not - that is just an example but the notion can be applied to just about anything -

There is a battle going on in this world for the souls of men - there are moral absolutes - some things are right and some things are just plain wrong - and if those who adhere to a high moral standard just tolerate any immoral action - society will end up in the gutter and eventually decay -

As far as the gay community is concerned - based on my religious beliefs I believe that the homosexual life style is immortal - and I will do everything legal to stop any attempt by homosexuals to push their agenda foreward - the same thing with abortions - now some of you may think that my way of thinking is out of touch and old fashion with what is happening in today's world - yes I agree - but that doesn't stop me and millions of others to hold up the standard of human dignity - if some want to degrade human kind to the level of animals - good people need to resist -

[Fox]

Well Dyth - what you are basically saying is that any attempt by an armed good guy to take out a shooter is a waste of time - well that is exactly what happened and you have 100 people shot -

Small' - the words put forth by your friend sound nice - it basically preaches tolerance - but to be realistic it won't work - a society that is built on that foundation will never last - because you will have people pulling in different and often times in opposite directions - if some people think that murder is wrong but others think that it is ok under many circumstances - do those who think it is wrong just sit by and let the others murder people - I should say not - that is just an example but the notion can be applied to just about anything -

There is a battle going on in this world for the souls of men - there are moral absolutes - some things are right and some things are just plain wrong - and if those who adhere to a high moral standard just tolerate any immoral action - society will end up in the gutter and eventually decay -

As far as the gay community is concerned - based on my religious beliefs I believe that the homosexual life style is immortal - and I will do everything legal to stop any attempt by homosexuals to push their agenda foreward - the same thing with abortions - now some of you may think that my way of thinking is out of touch and old fashion with what is happening in today's world - yes I agree - but that doesn't stop me and millions of others to hold up the standard of human dignity - if some want to degrade human kind to the level of animals - good people need to resist -

You sound a lot like the people the Europeans who left Europe for American sounded like, religious tolerance is in your constitution. Did you know that "Under God" was not added to the pledge until 1954? You notice how they did not actually say which God, maybe that is because it did not matter to them, maybe they added it to set themselves apart from the radical Communists who decided that religious was against the state.

Gay people are not pushing an agenda, they are trying to live free, without the bigotry and ignorance of people like you.

I really hope that your Christian God is the right God, if that is the case the amount of judgement that you put on others will surely be brought back up as your stand at the gates to heaven.

[smallgamer]

That was brilliant Smallgamer. actually I would like to use it if you think it would be ok.

As a courtesy, I checked with my friend and he said feel free to use it.