50 killed in Florida

[seabast]

Yes Yellow' - yes God's love is boundless - he loves all - but He also set a standard which we should live by - He loves the sinner but not the sin - I believe that the bible is the inspired word of God and it in no uncertain terms condemns homosexual activity - I realize being born a homosexual is a burden - but then there are few people in this life who don't carry burdens - we all have them - it is how you deal with them that counts - when the people brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus - He told those ready to stone her that the one without sin should throw the first stone - they all walked away - but Jesus told her that neither did He condemn her and forgave her - but he did tell her to go and sin no more - He also said that if you don't follow his teaching and you say that you love Him - you are a liar - believe me - live is short and some day you will stand before a holy God and make an account of yourself - many homosexuals have found a way to live a fruitful and good life without giving in to their sinful desires - life is a struggle - not a rose garden

I've known people who were gay - one of my secretaries was one - she was a very nice woman and a good Christian woman - we had many discussions on the subject and I know she lead a pure life for which I admired her greatly for -

The thing that bothers me is how the gay community pushes its - what I call agenda - first they want to redefine what marriage is - even though for thousands of years it was between a man and a woman - then they want some baker who wants no part of a gay marriage to bake their cake - when the baker refuses they sue and attempt to force their wishes on someone who doesn't believe in gay marriage - then in our schools they continue to push the idea that having two mothers is normal and everything is ok - then when the owner of a restaurant chain says he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman the gays raise a big ruckus and threaten him with physical harm - so you see the push is not always for the right -

I do wish you the best - I've been on this earth over 82 years and have seen many things, been to many places, seen many changes but in the end I believe it is your relationship to Almighty God that really counts

I really shake my head when I read "some" of your comments but that explain it all....Lots have change since your teenage years and it must be difficult, maybe just impossible,to understand some of today’s lifestyle, morals and whining…. Must of today’s city kid grow up with all kind of color, religion and sex preference, you probably didn’t. Also going to war must have been a live changer, I’m sure glad I never had to! My Grandparents were the same way so there are many things I would never speak of in front of them. Anyway don’t stress it out, the world went to crap a while ago and there is nothing we can do to change it, just live it hard.
Cheers

[Dythbringer]

Wow !!
It's beliefs like this that fuel most radical religious groups.
Change some of the wording and it could be an ISIS speech.



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Or any other group in the history of mankind who has committed some kind of crime against humanity.

[Sharon]

I'll probably regret getting into this but ................. I very rarely speak of my belief here.

Coming from an evangelical church since 16, I understand fully what Joe is saying. I admire his courage to speak up with a position that is not popular. This is his right and name - calling is unacceptable.

I too believe the Bible which leads to many questions always.

Homosexuals are born homosexual. Some clearly so and some barely
( feminine men and butchy women). Your sexuality is formed in utero , depending on the amount of testosterone you get.
My nephew is transgendered. The placenta separated from the uterus early on in the pregnancy , so his choice did not surprise us. We treasure him.
The Bible is clear about sex being for the married. That means singles and homosexuals shouldn’t be having sex. Seems very unfair. I know.
But now, homosexuals can be married according to the rule of the land. Hmmm... more questions.

We all sin in a variety of ways and all need a Saviour – that much I am sure of.

Conclusion : I am going to leave the judging to the Lord, and practice acceptance of my fellow man/woman. I’ll have many questions for Him when I see Him.

Postscript: My neighbors are two married homosexual men. They are grieving deeply over the tragedy in Florida. One of the men is the Pastor of the homosexual church in London. They are having a service of remembrance this week. My husband and I will be going.



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[trimmer21]

I think it does !!
It's not a moral issue !!
Welcome to 2016.


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For the vast majority of humanity it is absolutely a moral issue. Never assume politeness or toleration as acceptance. The vast majority of the human race still view homosexuality as repugnant and repulsive.

[Hunter John]

Well said Sharon, well said. Joe is free to believe what he wants ( or anyone else for that matter) and while I may not see things the same way I will respect his views as we all should. He is not trying to force his views on anyone and to me thats the main point. Believe in whatever you like and thats all good with me. Force your views or insult others over what they believe is not good. Full stop.

[skypilot]

I never in my baseball career from little league thru semi pro ever had a runner fail to get out of my way on a double play at second. NOBODY will take a hardball between the eyes between 1st and 2nd base.......

You're simply wrong, people close enough to "POKE" you will get away from a gun pointed/located right at/next to them ESPECIALLY if running from a guy with a gun slaughtering them.

You're also wrong...cover and concealment are two totally different things. Cover is protective, concealment isn't always.
Cover is good when you've been seen, concealment is good when you haven't been.
You post long posts but not much fact, just a lot of noise and drumming.

Joe can believe what he wants, whether you 4 like it or lump it. You 4 are mighty intolerant of Joe yet you want/expect Joe to be tolerant of your beliefs and have attacked him. Oh the SO TOLERANT showing the proper amount of Political Correctness and manufactured outrage..........

SG the numbers are close but it was 1, then 3(not sure yet if 1 was included in that second gunfight) and then the balance(11 if my info is correct)were Swat in the last gunfight.

Big difference when you both have seen one another and are actively trying to stop one another after the event has begun(1st cop) vs. slaughtering unarmed people and being shot from cover/concealment by a armed bar patron. Which is what Joe was trying to contribute.

[stragglelake]

I'll probably regret getting into this but ................. I very rarely speak of my belief here.

Coming from an evangelical church since 16, I understand fully what Joe is saying. I admire his courage to speak up with a position that is not popular. This is his right and name - calling is unacceptable.

I too believe the Bible which leads to many questions always.

Homosexuals are born homosexual. Some clearly so and some barely
( feminine men and butchy women). Your sexuality is formed in utero , depending on the amount of testosterone you get.
My nephew is transgendered. The placenta separated from the uterus early on in the pregnancy , so his choice did not surprise us. We treasure him.
The Bible is clear about sex being for the married. That means singles and homosexuals shouldn’t be having sex. Seems very unfair. I know.
But now, homosexuals can be married according to the rule of the land. Hmmm... more questions.

We all sin in a variety of ways and all need a Saviour – that much I am sure of.

Conclusion : I am going to leave the judging to the Lord, and practice acceptance of my fellow man/woman. I’ll have many questions for Him when I see Him.

Postscript: My neighbors are two married homosexual men. They are grieving deeply over the tragedy in Florida. One of the men is the Pastor of the homosexual church in London. They are having a service of remembrance this week. My husband and I will be going.



https://www.google.ca/webhp?tab=mw&e...ormed+in+utero


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That is some funky science !
Seriously ... " your sexuality is formed in utero depending on how much testosterone you get".
Please don't confuse what you are being sold in church and what actual science is.
I saw Michael Sam in New York at the NFL draft. He is openly gay and I can assure you he is not lacking any testosterone.

Praise the lord and pass the bullets.


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[stragglelake]

For the vast majority of humanity it is absolutely a moral issue. Never assume politeness or toleration as acceptance. The vast majority of the human race still view homosexuality as repugnant and repulsive.

Now you speak for the vast majority of the human race ?!?!



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[Sharon]

That is some funky science !
Seriously ... " your sexuality is formed in utero depending on how much testosterone you get".
Please don't confuse what you are being sold in church and what actual science is.
I saw Michael Sam in New York at the NFL draft. He is openly gay and I can assure you he is not lacking any testosterone.

Praise the lord and pass the bullets.

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LOL That's why I posted the link. I knew it would be a new bit of science for some.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?tab=mw&e...ormed+in+utero

[trimmer21]

Now you speak for the vast majority of the human race ?!?!



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No,I speak for common sense. Your straw man just fell flat. Good luck with that.