AR 15 Reclassification

[GrouseWhisperer]

Yup, sad... just sad. I don't imagine that anyone of us is surprised by the rhetoric and double speak. Clearly perception and reality will never meet given that emotion and politics trump fact.

^Well said. I signed that petition, but in Canada...guns can go from non-restricted to prohibited having never even been involved in a crime. Hard to hope that "emotions and politics", in the same climate, will ever allow for reasonable conversation on the AR.

[welsh]

As stated already, how is it that the police are given the powers to make laws in the first place?

The RCMP are not empowered to make laws. The law establishes criteria by which firearms are classified. The RCMP has the responsibility to compare firearms against those criteria and determine their correct classification.

The RCMP does not have the power to change the criteria or to classify a firearm based on anything but those criteria. Orders-in-council must be passed by Cabinet.

[terrym]

I have no doubt that Trudough and his entourage of buffoons will eventually reclassify all AR type rifles as prohibited. He may wait until he needs a diversion but it will happen. Probably more people have been murdered with knives but the black rifles make better headlines. Tobacco companies contribute to the slow death of millions yet they are tolerated and exploited tax wise.

[DGearyFTE]

The RCMP are not empowered to make laws. The law establishes criteria by which firearms are classified. The RCMP has the responsibility to compare firearms against those criteria and determine their correct classification.

The RCMP does not have the power to change the criteria or to classify a firearm based on anything but those criteria. Orders-in-council must be passed by Cabinet.

One could argue that irrespective of whether or not the RCMP is empowered to make laws, their action to classify the the Blaze-47 as prohibited would tend to lend credence to the debate that they are not bound by the law wrt to criteria. I am suggesting that in the absense of clear direction from government the RCMP routinely acts outside of the law.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...r-banned-rifle

If this example doesn't suffice perhaps turning the lense toward High River is more damning!

[welsh]

One could argue that irrespective of whether or not the RCMP is empowered to make laws, their action to classify the the Blaze-47 as prohibited would tend to lend credence to the debate that they are not bound by the law wrt to criteria.

Or that they are applying those criteria in a sloppy way, having apparently decided at first blush that this rifle was somehow an AK variant.

I never said they were doing this job well, only that it's not true that they get to make the law.

[trimmer21]

Philadelphia reporter Helen Ubinas has an interesting article in The Star,this morning,where she claims that she walked into a US gun store and bought an AR 15 M&P (?) for under $800. All she needed was her D/L,passed the background check and walked out of the store with the rifle in 7 minutes.

[DGearyFTE]

Philadelphia reporter Helen Ubinas has an interesting article in The Star,this morning,where she claims that she walked into a US gun store and bought an AR 15 M&P (?) for under $800. All she needed was her D/L,passed the background check and walked out of the store with the rifle in 7 minutes.

I saw that article. If you time it for the right time of the day your background check goes quickly. On the other hand I have been witness to people standing for hours in Florida (Gander Mountain Palm Beach Gardens) waiting for a background check. With that, I see this as another example of how the left-wing media actively promotes controversy and half-truths in the gun debate.

[welsh]

I don't think either side of the debate has a monopoly on half-truths or even flat-out lies.

[DGearyFTE]

Or that they are applying those criteria in a sloppy way, having apparently decided at first blush that this rifle was somehow an AK variant.

I never said they were doing this job well, only that it's not true that they get to make the law.

Sure, but at what point does sloppy turn into blatant disregard for the law? In recalling the facts, the RCMP attended the gun show in Vegas where they first saw the Blaze-47. Upon return to Canada, and without regard to the regulations for firearms classification, the RCMP placed a .22 LR rifle in the Prohibited category. This action was demonstrated to be based solely on esthetics.

So, in reviewing the current criteria for classification of firearms, I am unable to find any mention of "looks scary - it is banned". Notwithstanding this, I don't dispute your contention that the RCMP is making the law. I would like to point out that the government's actions to condone the arbitrary classification of a non-restricted firearm brings their credibility into question. The debate then becomes one of whether it is accurate to state that this can be interpreted as setting precedent within the law i.e. they made up a new rule

[skypilot]

Philadelphia reporter Helen Ubinas has an interesting article in The Star,this morning,where she claims that she walked into a US gun store and bought an AR 15 M&P (?) for under $800. All she needed was her D/L,passed the background check and walked out of the store with the rifle in 7 minutes.

What is wrong with that? Her DL proves and satisfies the residency criteria of the US and the State, She had to answer ATF form 4473 questions truthfully under penalty of Federal Law, the FBI background check established no Interstate Identification Index bridged with NCIC and she got a supper price on what is called in Canada a "Patrol Carbine"(if you are a cop) it's a totally, totally different firearm if you're a Canadian resident, or citizen and own it. Funny how that retardation works. It's still a semi auto action similar to every other semi auto on earth except it has "scarier" furniture surrounding it deemed so by the Wendy Cukiers and their club.

Regardless that is about the time it takes me at my local Canadian gun shop. Although last time the computer was glitchy and it took about 5 extra minutes.

What other background check are tolerable in a free society? You Canadians abhor the death penalty due to distrust and past false convictions by the Crown. Why do you expect Americans to accept less standards wrt the government than you?
A terror watch list is a POS, unreliable and strategically unusable by LE. Ted Kennedy was on it for years and had many issues as a US Senator while traveling because of it. Many innocent people can cycle on and off the list as the TRUTH is realized. It is not a list with enough integrity to take a right from a citizen without DUE PROCESS.

Almost anyone in LE can literally add your name to the terror list. The typical BS hype from Odumbo is exactly that, just more BS hype.