AR 15 Reclassification

[patvetzal]

We tried to fight it at the time but it was only going to be "housekeeping" so the whole parliament didn't have to get involved learning about guns...
Pretty well marked the end of my carry permit but some were still in use until after 2000.

[Big Gunner]

I would be OK with banning the AR-15. Useless gun anyways. I would be OK with banning all semi auto rifles as well. Shotguns too. But there chocked to only 3 rounds so that's fine. I would ban any semi auto that is magazine feed. But that's just my opinion. Really there is no need for them. And for hunting a bolt is more accurate anyways.

[JBen]

Deplore that "no need for them".
heck, no need for BLRs, or Bolt action either. All we really need are muzzle loaders, or bows.

hunter I admire has a number of sayings. The most basic and honest is. "I hunt to kill". Meaning, he will use the most efficient weapon the law allows. Still recall the time he took a Sow. First shot was lethal, it dropped. Started to rise, the 2nd round followed. Bear died then and there, 5 yards from the barrel.

recall the day I shot a smaller bear ( little over 200) with my BLR in .308. When I pulled the trigger it jumped straight up like a cat might, spun 180 degrees and was gone. Before I'd chambered a follow up. Recovered him about 40 yards into the bush.

End result was the same I guess. Two tagged Bears. But...if given the chance I'd have put a second into it. One to make sure it didnt suffer, two to make recovery easier/more certain and three who knows.......

If we don't "need" semis, we'll do we really need anything more than muzzle loaders, or bows, and side by side for waterfowl?

[GW11]

I would be OK with banning the AR-15. Useless gun anyways. I would be OK with banning all semi auto rifles as well. Shotguns too. But there chocked to only 3 rounds so that's fine. I would ban any semi auto that is magazine feed. But that's just my opinion. Really there is no need for them. And for hunting a bolt is more accurate anyways.

So, would you expect the AR owners out there to stand up for you when your trusty bolt action rifle ends up on the ban list as well? After all, isn't it a "high powered sniper rifle"?

[fishermccann]

That post by biggun was such a troll I am surprized anyone bit.

[Big Gunner]

That post by biggun was such a troll I am surprized anyone bit.

Lol that wasn't a troll at all. Just my opinion. Your right about the muzzle loader being really all you need. But with the advances in technology with the guns of today, they are much more effective and accurate. But a semi automatic machine gun? What the hell does that have to do with hunting.
Shooting at targets maybe. But blasting 100 rounds at a target as fast as I can half accurately doesn't really do anything for me. I love target shooting don't get me wrong, it's just for me target shooting and hunting with guns is more of a finesse thing. There's more involved then just hurtling tons of lead down range or out in the field as fast as you can.

Again that is just my opinion.
I don't know maybe it because I'm a double barrel guy (mind you I have a couple of semi's, they don't get used very often. But they have there purpose) or maybe it's because it the gun of choice these sick pigs are picking to massacre all these innocent people with, But that gun has put a really bad taste in my mouth.

[JBen]

BG in truth or in a way, I agree with you. I own four "firearms" one of which is an air rifle (1100 fps). I own what I need to hunt what I hunt or want to hunt. The only semi, is my SG. That said, I have thought about a semi rifle, for no other reason than watching a bear jump straight up in the air 3 feet, doing a 180 and bolting, even though it was dead, just didn't know it yet......Before I could chamber a followup with my BLR. And my good friend who didn't let a nice Sow get up off the ground even though she to was done....He made sure she was done and wasn't going 5 yards further....."I hunt to kill".

Where I don't "agree", is as I mentioned the term "we don't need them".
The fact is, we don't need to hunt........I can buy all the meat I actually do need and save money doing so
Food for thought.

Personally suspect the inability for the US to accept change is going to bite us. Politics. It gets in the way of common sense down there (see the Senate yesterday nixing two extremely minor changes that would do some good) let alone magazine capacity and more, and the same lack of common sense we have to deal with here, will I suspect see the oh so image conscious Liberals wanting to appear as leaders where the US isn't.

Every mass shooting down there is brewing up a storm on social media and more and more Canadians are chiming in, calling the US nuts and why do they need these machine guns, etc. Guns should be banned blah blah blah. Great opportunity for JT to score political points, to appear to be proactive to Canadians, where the US won't act on GC even though there no need here. The problems down there, don't exist here.

Politics
And while this next is totally un-related as it deal more with the realities of politics. Sometime ago in a thread that got a bit testy, I made some points about the future of hunting, kids today, who are tomorrows voters, and the power of social media. How parties analyze trends, in fact micro analyze things, they see on FB, Twitter and how they use them for their stratgeys and platforms, including JTs obvious "image"...the selfie king. I was scoffed at by some usuals .No need to to go into that, however.

This just out.
Digital advertising key as Liberals outspent Tories in 2015 vote: Elections Canada reports

As it relates, imo the oh so image conscious Liberals and frankly savvy to todays realities and the net,and who the biggest users are (youth today) and who turned out in droves to vote for the glamour boy????? See above link.

And the USs utter inability to address real problems and the utter storm being set off on social media over GC...Don't be surprised if they ( JTs liberals) don't see an opportunity to score some points, and as a result we get bitten, thanks to the US and politics which often has little to do with common sense, or whats needed/not....and lots to do with scoring points and votes.

[skypilot]

I would be OK with banning the AR-15. Useless gun anyways. I would be OK with banning all semi auto rifles as well. Shotguns too. But there chocked to only 3 rounds so that's fine. I would ban any semi auto that is magazine feed. But that's just my opinion. Really there is no need for them. And for hunting a bolt is more accurate anyways.

Obviously you are ill informed. I would be ok banning all like you from ever owning a modern firearm as your "needs" are not like the freedom of choice "needs" of others. Simply water and bread for you every 3 days will suffice eh? Becaused none need" anything else eh?

[skypilot]

BG in truth or in a way, I agree with you. I own four "firearms" one of which is an air rifle (1100 fps). I own what I need to hunt what I hunt or want to hunt. The only semi, is my SG. That said, I have thought about a semi rifle, for no other reason than watching a bear jump straight up in the air 3 feet, doing a 180 and bolting, even though it was dead, just didn't know it yet......Before I could chamber a followup with my BLR. And my good friend who didn't let a nice Sow get up off the ground even though she to was done....He made sure she was done and wasn't going 5 yards further....."I hunt to kill".


Where I don't "agree", is as I mentioned the term "we don't need them".
The fact is, we don't need to hunt........I can buy all the meat I actually do need and save money doing so
Food for thought.

Personally suspect the inability for the US to accept change is going to bite us. Politics. It gets in the way of common sense down there (see the Senate yesterday nixing two extremely minor changes that would do some good) let alone magazine capacity and more, and the same lack of common sense we have to deal with here, will I suspect see the oh so image conscious Liberals wanting to appear as leaders where the US isn't.

Every mass shooting down there is brewing up a storm on social media and more and more Canadians are chiming in, calling the US nuts and why do they need these machine guns, etc. Guns should be banned blah blah blah. Great opportunity for JT to score political points, to appear to be proactive to Canadians, where the US won't act on GC even though there no need here. The problems down there, don't exist here.

Politics
And while this next is totally un-related as it deal more with the realities of politics. Sometime ago in a thread that got a bit testy, I made some points about the future of hunting, kids today, who are tomorrows voters, and the power of social media. How parties analyze trends, in fact micro analyze things, they see on FB, Twitter and how they use them for their stratgeys and platforms, including JTs obvious "image"...the selfie king. I was scoffed at by some usuals .No need to to go into that, however.

This just out.
Digital advertising key as Liberals outspent Tories in 2015 vote: Elections Canada reports

As it relates, imo the oh so image conscious Liberals and frankly savvy to todays realities and the net,and who the biggest users are (youth today) and who turned out in droves to vote for the glamour boy????? See above link.

And the USs utter inability to address real problems and the utter storm being set off on social media over GC...Don't be surprised if they ( JTs liberals) don't see an opportunity to score some points, and as a result we get bitten, thanks to the US and politics which often has little to do with common sense, or whats needed/not....and lots to do with scoring points and votes.

The so called minor changes were totally unacceptable. Being on the no fly list is not due process. Almost any cop can get your name on that list. Being drunk on a plane gets you on that list. If an investigator wishes to talk to you about an acquaintance that may be tied to terrorism you can be added to the list. It has no integrity to be a benchmark to take away a US Constitutional RIGHT.

Last I saw, it had over 1 million people on it and about 5000 American citizens and /or residents. Heck Ted Kennedy was on it for about 2-3 years, a US senator for no reason as he wasn't the "Ted Kennedy". It simply is useless for any gun control.

None of which would have stopped the Pulse shooting. So it's obvious the liberal agenda isn't to prevent those type shootings although they claim that is their goal.

[skypilot]

The RCMP is not responsible for the fact it's restricted. It was restricted by order-in-council by Kim Campbell.

This is, for greater clarity, exactly what the CSSA lobbied for and got under C-42: a system in which guns are classified by cabinet, by order-in-council.

Now, perhaps someone could please explain why that provision of C-42 was such a good idea.

I know it happened under Mulrooney but wasn't it non restricted several times until around c68?