EBR Proposal 012-8104;8105

[SK33T3R]

I think there's more scat in the MNR then there is out in the woods!

and good cleaning is in order.

They've been serving scat to us all and now - "once game rich Ontario" - is thriving with predators.

Bears out the wazzoo, cormorants, coyotes, hybrid wolves, lets save them all!

[kokes]

well said skeeter, exactly the point I was trying to make in my earlier post.

I think there's more scat in the MNR then there is out in the woods!

and good cleaning is in order.

They've been serving scat to us all and now - "once game rich Ontario" - is thriving with predators.

Bears out the wazzoo, cormorants, coyotes, hybrid wolves, lets save them all!

[JBen]

And whats troublesome, atleast AFAIC.
Is that, this is precisely when the MNR should be easing restrictions on predators (as they have for Wolves north of the Muskokas) because well. By their own calculations, and from feedback from hunters over the past 3 years Deer numbers and Moose are down, quite noticeably. Given they've gutted additionals..........And anecdotally grouse, rabbit and fox seem to be down quite a bit too.

So from all appearances, it would seem the MNR is having trouble understanding their own mandate and carrying capacity. Do they need to back to school and basics??

As for the Therberges and faulty science.
In the report they mention human caused mortality from hunting is near nil. So what gives. Further is this new hybrid non native species up in numbers over the last 20-30 years or are they to like others going down.

Theres only one answer

[rippin_355]

I think there's more scat in the MNR then there is out in the woods!

and good cleaning is in order.

They've been serving scat to us all and now - "once game rich Ontario" - is thriving with predators.

Bears out the wazzoo, cormorants, coyotes, hybrid wolves, lets save them all!

Amem brother!

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[Fox]

I think there's more scat in the MNR then there is out in the woods!

and good cleaning is in order.

They've been serving scat to us all and now - "once game rich Ontario" - is thriving with predators.

Bears out the wazzoo, cormorants, coyotes, hybrid wolves, lets save them all!

We also have more ducks than ever, more geese than ever and way more deer than we did in the 80s.

Predator numbers go up with prey numbers.

Ontario is still very game rich, just not as game rich as 10 years ago when it was above carrying capacity and driving farmers to shooting deer in the spring to thin out the numbers, 5 and 7 extra tags per hunter and farmers losing massive amounts of crops.

Looking into a wolf population that may or may not be unique in an area of Ontario that is mainly forest and minimal farmers is an ideal situation. Remember that once there were deer and wolves and no humans and the deer and wolves survived just fine.

[trappermatt]

We also have more ducks than ever, more geese than ever and way more deer than we did in the 80s.

Predator numbers go up with prey numbers.

Ontario is still very game rich, just not as game rich as 10 years ago when it was above carrying capacity and driving farmers to shooting deer in the spring to thin out the numbers, 5 and 7 extra tags per hunter and farmers losing massive amounts of crops.

Looking into a wolf population that may or may not be unique in an area of Ontario that is mainly forest and minimal farmers is an ideal situation. Remember that once there were deer and wolves and no humans and the deer and wolves survived just fine.

Did you hunt the 80's in the area in question ? When was then last time you can remember the deer and wolf relationship working in your home county ?

[JBen]

Mentioned it in the other thread.

Is this a wolf?



One has to wonder why "mutts" that are not native and as Werner said in the other thread, all a person needs to do is google images of Wolves, Algonquin from as late as the 60s to see what a wolf actually looks like. As a 6month old pup Nugs as she's named and who has way more wolf dna than these "mutts" was larger than these adult *cough* wolves being accorded special protection.

Now once you've answered the question above. Yes or No and too each their own.

If you think yes, than that calls into question all Kennel clubs, all breeds, hunt trials and more.
Because if She's a wolf and she has way more wolf dna, than the diluted coy dogs, or mutts, or "Algonquin" wolves. as they are now being called...Then a Labrador retriever, golden poodle, shepherd mix

Is a Labrador Retriever
******

with respect to capacity and other species and the impacts. I doubt even the MNR has a good handle on what really occurring. Obviously they believe Moose and WTs in the area are down. Down to where they should be? Well historically back to the 60s WTs were numerous in the region. These days thin. But assuming they are where they "should" be, and not down below what's healthy or can be carried.

Talk to people in the regions and even inside APP and it will be said. That fox, grouse and rabbit aren't as numerous either.

me, I rarely see fox anymore. Used to see them all the time.

[MikePal]

When was then last time you can remember the deer and wolf relationship working in your home county ?

As was mentioned in the study....a good relationship of predator / prey is required to have a balanced eco-system...once there is an imbalance they need things like culls (hunters) to try and balance it again. So yes, for the most part, the relationship between wolf and deer, especially in Norther Ont, works well.

[MikePal]

As a 6month old pup Nugs as she's named and who has way more wolf dna than these "mutts" was larger than these adult *cough* wolves being accorded special protection.

But can she take down a Deer ?...LOL..

Have you ever tried playing sound clips of wolves baying to see if it triggers some of her DNA to respond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMsAYgoL3Y

[rippin_355]

Wolf, how pure IDK

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