But they also are inneficient and unreliable so we still need other methods. We lose money everyday they operate. We can't go on losing money everyday.Originally Posted by Mcfasio
But they also are inneficient and unreliable so we still need other methods. We lose money everyday they operate. We can't go on losing money everyday.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
Long Term they are the future...we don't see it here in Canada, still too early, but more and more European counties are embracing it as the long term solution to their oil dependency and resource problems.
As this article shows us....completely reliable.
On an unusually windy day, Denmark found itself producing 116% of its national electricity needs from wind turbines yesterday evening. By 3am on Friday, when electricity demand dropped, that figure had risen to 140%.
Interconnectors allowed 80% of the power surplus to be shared equally between Germany and Norway, which can store it in hydropower systems for use later. Sweden took the remaining fifth of excess power.
“It shows that a world powered 100% by renewable energy is no fantasy,” said Oliver Joy, a spokesman for trade body the European Wind Energy Association. “Wind energy and renewables can be a solution to decarbonisation – and also security of supply at times of high demand.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tricity-demand
That's the problem with the Climate Change people. They only say what makes people "feel" good. But they leave out the whole truth. http://www.bccrwe.com/index.php/8-ne...-manufacturing
It's the same as e-cars. No mention of the large carbon footprint and environmental damage of the manufacturing process.
This Health Canada Report compares wind turbine noise to road traffic noise, and wind turbine noise levels near the participants' home was not found to be associated with sleep efficiency, the rate of awakenings, duration of awakenings, total sleep time, or how long it took to fall asleep.
No statistically significant association was observed between measured blood pressure, or resting heart rate, and exposure to wind turbine noise.
Self-reported stress, as measured by scores on the Perceived Stress Scale, was not found to be related to exposure to wind turbine noise levels.
Exposure to wind turbine noise was not found to be associated with any significant changes in reported quality of life for any of the four domains (Physical; Environmental; Social and Psychological) nor with overall quality of life and satisfaction with health.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/nois...resume-eng.php
http://www.ec.gc.ca/sc-cs/Default.as...5F83C26-1#_s04
This Environment Canada Report Summarises the following:
-The science is conclusive: Global warming is unequivocal and human influence on the climate system is clear.
-Impacts of a changing climate are already being felt, and they will increase with further warming. Adaptation will be needed to manage the risks.
-The cumulative total emissions is what determines the ultimate level of warming. To avoid exceeding 2°C, global GHG emissions need to decrease rapidly.
-GHG emissions need to become net zero in order to stabilize climate at any temperature.
Other than tiny isolated islands and remote installations that use diesel gensets, Denmark and Germany have the most expensive electricity rates in the world. Not a model i would choose to follow.
The wilderness is not a stadium where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, it is the cathedral where I worship.
Not a choice when a country has to or wants to shed is dependency on oil...once you've lived there ( I did for 4 yrs) you begin to understand the cost of using a renewable resource is worth it to them.
Anecdotal at best Mike as i have 5 or 6 Danish friends and about a dozen German friends ranging in age from 30 to 80+ and they are all in agreement that the Danish model is terrible. Anecdotal as well but counter to your "gotta live there to get it" anecdote.
The cost on the other hand is fact.
The wilderness is not a stadium where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, it is the cathedral where I worship.
let me clarify....you have to understand that the Europeans are far more environmentally conscious than we are in North America..once you live there you begin to understand...they don't use the hose to wash their driveways, recycling isn't an option it's the law with hefty fines. When you stop at a long traffic light you have to, by law, kill the engine till the light turns green etc. etc.
It's more a way of life....Germany has twice the population of Canada in an area the size of New Brunswick...so pollution and environmental issue are a very high priority. The use of coal fired power plants are no longer acceptable and are being phased out in favour of wind/solar...the cost is high, but to meet target environmental goals..it has to be done. Not anecdotal..
That is simply not true (the coal part) Germany is burning more coal that ever and building new coal fired facilities and opening new coal mines in an effort to provide firm capacity to backup their unreliable solar/wind.
Those are the facts. Just google Germany and coal and you will get 100s of links that will show you.
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The wilderness is not a stadium where I satisfy my ambition to achieve, it is the cathedral where I worship.
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