Crossbow killing

[greatwhite]

I disagree if we don't keep our backs up Gun ownership and hunting will be pretty much gone in 20 years. I'm not sure how old you are but I'm 47 since that time there have been many changes in Canadians owning guns and none of them good. When I was 16 I could buy my own gun I applied 3 months before my 16'th birthday and received my FAC on Friday Oct 11 and bought a 20 gauge. Back then it was legal to own a gun an FAC was just used to buy them. Before 1999 you could still target shoot with a handgun in a gravel pit and sometime before the 1980's you could hunt with a handgun.

Handguns have been registered since the 1970's yet it is easy to get one down town Toronto. So far every new gun law put in place has not even put in a dent in the criminal use. The Long Gun registry was originally put in place to eventually take away guns from Canadians (Liberals admitted that).


Today Guns are actually ILLEGAL for any Canadian to OWN unless you have a PAL.

Mark my word you will see even bigger changes in 20 - 25 years

I know all that legislation in the world can't stop such wing-nuts. I want the legislation in place to protect us from shouldering the heat, from such incidents. With legislation in place it becomes the government responsibility to ensure such individuals are appropriately screen. Meanwhile we don't have to go running for cover every time something like this goes down. Nor can we be held accountable just because we demand such tools to hunt with. If the screening doesn't get properly done let the blame rest on the bureaucrats in the government. Right now such tools are available, because we who put them to legitimate use, demand them, so we the hunting community become the target. Why should we be made the patsy, when something like this happens? Let government really prove the value of their legislative capability and keep the wing-nuts away from the tools, which we have to enjoy our past time.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[rick_iles]

I know all that legislation in the world can't stop such wing-nuts. I want the legislation in place to protect us from shouldering the heat, from such incidents. With legislation in place it becomes the government responsibility to ensure such individuals are appropriately screen. Meanwhile we don't have to go running for cover every time something like this goes down. Nor can we be held accountable just because we demand such tools to hunt with. If the screening doesn't get properly done let the blame rest on the bureaucrats in the government. Right now such tools are available, because we who put them to legitimate use, demand them, so we the hunting community become the target. Why should we be made the patsy, when something like this happens? Let government really prove the value of their legislative capability and keep the wing-nuts away from the tools, which we have to enjoy our past time.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

Like all the firearms legislation has cut down on gun crime in Toronto ! Your first sentence was right, you went off the rails from there!!!!

[skypilot]

God help us.

[greatwhite]

Wait until the new Registry 2.0 from the UN kicks in sometime. It will be a while at first but at some point it will.

God help us.

[terrym]

Wynne and pretty boy will eventually need something to change the channel from their track record and they know gun owners are too spread out to swing an election. Alberta that bastion of conservatism has an NDP Majority government. They can attack legal gun owners and probably gain seats over it. Enjoy what you have now, will only get worse.
Trudough is about to change our electoral system to guarantee Liberal rule forever. Wynne owns the civil service and OPP. Liberals and police hate gun owners, just do the math.

[skypilot]

The wesrt will go back Conservative. None of the East Eoasters can afford to hang around the oil patch currently with no income and will return home.

[Gun Nut]

Like all the firearms legislation has cut down on gun crime in Toronto ! Your first sentence was right, you went off the rails from there!!!!

Then, would you agree with the premise that we should not need to have a licence in order to own and possess firearms? In other words licencing should only be an issue in regard to gun use, and the need to have a licence to own and possess a firearm should be repealed.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

[rick_iles]

Then, would you agree with the premise that we should not need to have a licence in order to own and possess firearms? In other words licencing should only be an issue in regard to gun use, and the need to have a licence to own and possess a firearm should be repealed.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

Firearms ...yes, however crossbows are not firearms. You say the bow in question should have been trigger locked and bolts stored away from the bow, that is not required, nor is a licence to buy or own. Where do you suggest the government stop? Crossbows, then what....long bows, compound bows? Then what, hunting knives, then heck while they are at it, kitchen knives!!! Knives are used as weapons now, more than firearms after all ! Handguns have been registered since 1934....has that stopped the criminal use of handguns?

[JBen]

Actually.
If anything, this event should demonstrate why it might be worth considering having to have a PAL to buy bows.

Fact is, bows today are so much more advanced than they were 40 years ago. I personally have never understood why there was virtually no "restriction" on them. We are quick to remind the public that here in Canada we have background checks and balances to help ensure the unstable and criminals can't get firearms through legal means. Do we not in fact, always argue, the problem isn't "guns", it criminals. Aka if we would just focus on stopping them from getting guns......so easily...

there are reasons why this guy had a crossbow, and while it's true in this case a knife/hatchet/golf club would have worked just as well.
why did he A) want a x-bow and B) able to get one.

obviously with his rap sheet, not someone who should be able to buy weapons.

[greatwhite]

I'm not being funny here but I could fashion a crude bow and some arrows in about an hour, we would also have to make a requirement that it is illegal to posses tree branches capable of being used to fashion a bow.

Actually.
If anything, this event should demonstrate why it might be worth considering having to have a PAL to buy bows.

Fact is, bows today are so much more advanced than they were 40 years ago. I personally have never understood why there was virtually no "restriction" on them. We are quick to remind the public that here in Canada we have background checks and balances to help ensure the unstable and criminals can't get firearms through legal means. Do we not in fact, always argue, the problem isn't "guns", it criminals. Aka if we would just focus on stopping them from getting guns......so easily...

there are reasons why this guy had a crossbow, and while it's true in this case a knife/hatchet/golf club would have worked just as well.
why did he A) want a x-bow and B) able to get one.

obviously with his rap sheet, not someone who should be able to buy weapons.