Crossbow killing

[Waftrudnir]

I vividly remember my first crossbow - I made it myself, incl. a bolt, as part of a school project in grade 7. I bet those days are long gone. Not powerful to kill at 50m, but 20m. That's farther than most people get shot with handguns on average.
So again, if a criminal wants something they will get it.
Have we started to talk about banning trucks, because someone killed 86 and insured 307 innocent people in Nice? Aside from that attack, there are many mentally unstable and reckless people driven cars every day that pose a real risk to the general public. Perhaps we should discuss that instead of making up a hypothetical case against crossbows.
Additionally, don't forget that there are hunters that are not allowed to own firearms. By regulating crossbows like firearms you would take away their opportunity to hunt.

[greatwhite]

Justin will probably make wood illegal.

I vividly remember my first crossbow - I made it myself, incl. a bolt, as part of a school project in grade 7. I bet those days are long gone. Not powerful to kill at 50m, but 20m. That's farther than most people get shot with handguns on average.
So again, if a criminal wants something they will get it.
Have we started to talk about banning trucks, because someone killed 86 and insured 307 innocent people in Nice? Aside from that attack, there are many mentally unstable and reckless people driven cars every day that pose a real risk to the general public. Perhaps we should discuss that instead of making up a hypothetical case against crossbows.
Additionally, don't forget that there are hunters that are not allowed to own firearms. By regulating crossbows like firearms you would take away their opportunity to hunt.

[MikePal]

Additionally, don't forget that there are hunters that are not allowed to own firearms. By regulating crossbows like firearms you would take away their opportunity to hunt.

That's a VERY good point..thanks for making it...

[JBen]

Those arguements, while not innacurate. Don't really carry a lot of weight.
l.If we want to trot out well cars kill way more. They do, that's true.

get nailed for DUI and guess what...you lose your liscence.
make a career out speeding and getting caught.....you...

The next time there's a mass shooting and the public screams to ban black semi autos. And everyone here says "typical liberal knee jerk reaction. Once again it's the criminals ( or unstable)". And we all scream " we already have systems in place to help keep them out of criminals hands, it's called a PAL and it Works.

well, we shoul probably be prepared for the " told you so's, gun owners really aren't in favor of things that make sense". Or accusations of hypocrites and talking a good game".

They are weapons. Designed to kill and as things stand, anyone can get one, no matter their "mental state", or criminal history.

"if", push comes to shove. Needing a PAL to buy them cost us next to nothing, would do what we always scream is the actual problem, and it wouldn't discredit our arguments with respect to controls. In fact, the opposite.

[Waftrudnir]

this discussion just shows that we are our worst enemies.
why do politicians and media go after the tool and not the real cause? not only is it is so much easier, but we also even invite them to do so.
if the discussion will ever come up for real, many will be for more regulation (thinking as we are law abiding that this won't hurt us). but it has; think of those who faced criminal charges for minor paper issues and lapses.
Remember? http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/17...class-citizens
Shamefully, we rather welcome bureaucracy and costs, than to think of fellow hunters and shooters.
The RCMP used to revoke hundreds if not thousands of PALs every year! It could be any of us; e.g. disgruntled ex-wife, depression, anonymous call, etc. You don't have to be proven to be a dangerous criminal in order to get your PAL and guns taken away or not get one.

[JBen]

Favorited quote
freedom was hammered out on the anvil of dissent, debate and discussion"

I've never really been one who takes to being told what to do, how to think. I prefer being my own individual, and not part of a mindless collective that goes along with something. Just because. Ultimately what that approach advocates is the opposite of individual freedoms. If communism works for you....

And we really only need look south to see how much good it's doing. The States is a powder keg that's about to blow thanks in no small part to the NRA and the out of my cold deads hands, untied we stand divided we fall.

but also, as a result the off the charts gun deaths per capita, cops being executed and more. while a gun owner myself, who is strongly against more and uneccessry GC.

good job NRA. I'm more than happy to live in Canada.
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for or the time being, this is nothing more than some journalist and editors selling copy. In the future though, should it become more imminent. The "arguement" to include them on the list of things requiring a PaL not only has merit. A strong case can be made.

[Gun Nut]

That's a VERY good point..thanks for making it...

[COLOR=#333333]Originally Posted by Waftrudnir
[COLOR=#333333]Additionally, don't forget that there are hunters that are not allowed to own firearms. By regulating crossbows like firearms you would take away their opportunity to hunt.

Perhaps some more insight may clarify this statement for me. If they are hunters why wouldn't they be allowed to own firearm. It sounds like they have done something that has earn them a prohibition order against having a long-gun. If they're viewed as that dangerous, why would we want them to have access to a crossbow? But maybe there is some other point that I'm missing. Oh, I just though of something, there are those who do not want to take the firearm course and write the exam. I knew of someone like that, because of his age he feared the prospect of being trained and tested. But there maybe yet other situations. What are they?

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
-Gun Nut

[skypilot]

Word is no crossbow was used. Moot point, he would have killed anyway, with or without a registered "weapon" and with or without law/ regulation, etc.

We've been killing one another since Cain invented murder and used it on Abel with fist, feet, teeth, rocks, clubs, fire, bows, spears, knives, swords, catapults, yada yada in spite of any law.

It ain't the object. Never was, never will be. It's the heart of man.

[JBen]

Lol R.
just makes me "chuckle". Anytime the public or media go nuts over some gun incident. We (or most of us) when talking with friends will in effect point to the U.S and problems there. How often has uninformed media gone on about how easy it to acquire guns? Our first rebuttal? Um no, we have PALs that........

One reason ( not the only) we don't have the same kinds of problems here, as there I s we do have measures and GC. It works. And the fact of the matter is the NRA is as much to blame as anything.

We really should just look at 2 things anytime something comes up.
1) does it make sense ?(problem here is too much doesn't make sense)
2) is there a need?

in this case (cross bows and possibly requiring a PAL)
1) yes
2) no

Isolated incidents ( what a total of 10 people killed by them according to Mike earlier post) do not equate to a need. That doesn't negate the "validity" of #1. Just means it's not needed.

[skypilot]

It is culture or societal "thang." When Canada has the population and Gangs the US does, it will have the same issues.

47000+ died from DRUG OVERDOSES in the US in 2014 per the liberal CDC report.

I have empathy but as long as people have free will and no morals it will be as it will be. Why limit a prescription to me because 47000 killed themselves with illegal drugs and abusing prescription drugs? Limiting my prescription won't stop them from killing themselves.

Same with guns, bows, etc.

So if you and I know that, surely the idiots in government know that so......what really is their agenda?
I'm totally clear on it, the liberals stated it, Hilary confirmed it.

Want to really "control" the masses? Teach them morality and moral responsibility, just desserts.

Then and only then will they stop taking the liberal's morality and "my" guns/bows/cars/trucks/knives/baseball bats/golf clubs/etc. and killing people.