Examples of "eastern" wolves

[Splaker]

i didn't want to start thus again!!

[JBen]

Hopefully it won't (hence the small effort to stop it, before it starts and nudge it back towards the tracks).

[Splaker]

Anyhow, cool videos.. they guy get a lot of them on cam. More than most people. Seems like he's baiting?

[MikePal]

Anyhow, cool videos.. they guy get a lot of them on cam. More than most people. Seems like he's baiting?

I think it's the 3rd one down called "Radio-Collared Wolf' that show a few radio (GPS) collared Algonquin Wolf sniffing around the same spot over a few months/years...it's hard to say if there is baiting because they don't seem to be finding anything. I wonder if they just are coming in, curious to the scent carried in when they changed out the SD card or batteries or if they spread an attractant/scent to draw them to the Trail Cam.

[trimmer21]

All it proves is the point they are mutts, nothing special and ndistinguishable from coyotes (non native and exploding). Can't imagine why that is.


Does not prove the need to protect them any more than they already are. Nor does it prove a need to also protect coyotes in those same areas. It makes as strong an argument against as for.

The "need" to protect should be based on science, not heart strings. Science says there's no need.

Should have said science...and...history. Be that the history of mistakes in Algonquin (which at the least has contributed if not caused the decimation of beaver) or cancelling spring hunts. Or simply the history we have of causing more problems than we solve.

bottom line:
the science in this case, be it their genetic make up ( obviously nothing but mutts, heck they don't even look alike) studies they clearly show that aren't threatened, be it not meeting their own scientific criteria to be listed as threatened, or the science that clearly show Coyotes are exploding and expanding. There's zero, other than heart strings........

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^. JBen,these are my sentiments,exactly. Mutts is a perfect description. Sorry,Splaker,but,when you light a fuse,it usually goes "BANG". LOL

[genec]

At our instructor conference last year we were told by a MNR biologist that coyotes in New York, Ontario and Michigan all show the DNA links to the Algonquin wolf, so you're bound to see a lot of visual examples of crossover traits.

[glen]

Someone pick a name for these things and let's stick to it please.

[terrym]

Unless you go way North like the tree line most wolves are mutts. Tree huggers call it an ecological climate warming disaster but in the end it's Mother Nature doing what it does. Some would call it evolution but that usually pizzes off the left too. Not to worry, Trudough will make it a priority and clean up the wolf's gene pool.

[JBen]

Isn't that part of it Glen?
curious how all the proponents and "studies" refer them as either wolves ( wrong ). Or wolf hybrids. They never refer to them as Coyote hybrids (no less accurate than WH). Either of which is "accurate". But betting if they actually called them what they are, well it wouldn't sound quite so romantic as an "Algonquin wolf", nor garner as much attention or sympathy. Funny that.

the vids are nice. Unlike most other canine species, none look much like their brothers. Ones as different as the next. Different heads, tails, sizes. That is one thing shared by all "mutts".

I've seen them in the wild. And yup, I'd be hard pressed to say coyote or mutt.

[MikePal]

The correct name according to the MNRF is 'Algonquin Wolf' ..

The Algonquin Wolf (Canis sp.) is an intermediate-sized canid that lives in family-based packs and feeds on prey that includes Beaver, White-tailed Deer, and Moose. The Algonquin Wolf is the result of a long history of hybridization and backcrossing among Eastern Wolf (Canis lycaon) (aka C. lupus lycaon), Gray Wolf (C. lupus), and Coyote (C. latrans). Although part of a widespread hybrid complex, the Algonquin Wolf can be differentiated from other hybrids, such as the Great Lakes-Boreal Wolf, because it forms a genetically discrete cluster of closely related individuals from which estimates of inferred ancestry can be derived. In addition, morphological data identify it as being generally larger than C. latrans-type canids, and smaller than C. lupus-type canids, although reliable identification requires genotypic data. The Algonquin Wolf is largely restricted in Ontario to Algonquin Provincial Park plus surrounding areas, some of which are protected. These include an area from Killarney Provincial Park south to Kawartha Highlands Signature Site. More distant records are relatively infrequent and likely attributable to occasional long-distance dispersal events, The total number of canids in this genetic group likely numbers between 250 and 1000 mature individuals, and therefore it has been designated as Threatened.

The science to support from species evaluation assessment by the Committee on the Status of Species at Risk in Ontario (COSSARO)

https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-species-risk-evaluation-report-algonquin-wolf-canis-sp-evolutionarily-significant-and

As a result of the species evaluation assessment by the Committee on the Status of Species at Risk in Ontario (COSSARO), the Algonquin Wolf (formerly referred to as Eastern Wolf) has been re-classified from ‘Special Concern’ to ‘Threatened’ status under the Endangered Species Act, 2007 (ESA). Currently, Ontario is proposing regulatory amendments to O. Reg. 242/08 under the ESA in relation to the changes to the Species at Risk in Ontario List (www.ontario.ca/environmentalregistry and search 012-8105).

https://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ERS-WEB-Ex...tusId=MTk1NDI1