Examples of "eastern" wolves

[JBen]

First two are Coyotes, 2nd two are of the same Wolf in Quebec. Chose them simply for some cross comparison. All in winter, and nice full coats, similar head poses. two shots forward, two shots more profile.

[Splaker]

JBen not defending John Theberge - I did read his book out of curiosity - and he did conclude that the wolves were bigger in the past in Algonquin... he even had pics skulls of the wolves from the 1930s I believe and of the 90s. The skulls of the wolves were noticeably smaller by the 90s. His concern, I think, was the the process of hybridization was already a forgone conclusion and that few "true" wolves existed... although he did claim that Algonquin had a distinct strain of wolf.. so this is where you'd probably disagree..

[werner.reiche]

Glen, by your post count I see your fairly new here. So am going to make an assumption. If it's wrong, my apologies.

This topic has been the subject of much debate, going back many years. There are those who will argue it started back in the 70s, there are those who will argue the MNR listened to faulty science produced by the Theberges, and compounded, or created problems to begin with.

The "wolves" we have here, have gone by many names, for many years. Eastern Wolves, Bush Wolves, Coy dogs. As of a few weeks ago, the Algonquin Wolf. The reason for that is obvious, and has to do with research out of Princeton University and heart strings.

To quote Shakespeare. A rose by any other name is still a rose. Or in this case cross bred "mutts".

i have a very good image of one these things. I promised someone Id never show it and it hasn't seen the light of day. But there are millions of pictures of Ontario's Coyotes out there. Here's an old thread and old images of Wolves from Alqonquin instead.

http://www.oodmag.com/community/show...y-monster-wolf

And in a minute I'll add an image of a wolf from Quebec. Not hard at all to see what we have bear little resemblance to wolves, or these images Splaker is adding from Wisconsin.

Seconding what JBen said. The photos in the thread JBEN posted are mine. This whole re-writing of the Algonquin wolf story to make them something they are not is beyond stupidity. There are still people alive today who remember (and photo evidence of) what the Algonquin wolves were. What we have today is a coyote mutt.

[JBen]

It's not that I disagree Splaker.
1) I love wolves by far my favourite animal, and think there should be some protections.
2) I think Coyotes are beautiful but obviously there are problems. Like locust they are.

prior to "digging deeper" some years ago, I was (not sure right word) enamoured that we had wolves in APP. Do I think we were wrong to protect them back then now? Don't know, though it's hard not to say, mistakes were made. Fast forward to today. It's too late now to go back and "undue" past mistakes. While it's virtually inarguable prices have been paid ( beaver alone) there are benefits as well.

I'm all for, maintaining the status quo. Very strongly against the proposed changes, for many reasons. And it's pretty obvious why they rushed the name change and that all of it smacks very highly of politics.

[Splaker]

No turning back, now... the old wolf is gone.

Werner, the pics from '68 - would you surmise that those were the grey wolves similar to the ones up in Northern Ontario?

[glen]

Great info. Great pic of a coyote splaker.
So coywolf then.

[trimmer21]

Great info. Great pic of a coyote splaker.
So coywolf then.

Yep. It's now known as The Algonquin Wolf.

[glen]

The real wolves still show up around parrysound every once in a while.

[Bigbear]

I don't see how #5 is anymore wolf-like than the others... #1 to me seems pretty wolfie too... but all of the images appear to be some kind of cross or what these bios are calling 'eastern' wolves... definitely not pure coyote

Leg length. Wolves' legs are longer in proportion to their bodies.

[SK33T3R]

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG!

This is a coyote in it's appropriate position!

Looking through the lens of my camera!

COYOTE CROSSHAIRS.JPG