Liberals promise 8% cut to hydro bill, and 20% if you're rural!

[trimmer21]

I too wondered what happened to the auto insurance gambit. What happened to it??


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The insurance companies reduced premiums as directed,but,reduced coverage as well. To restore coverage to previous levels,as a top-up,consumers had to pay extra premiums. Eventually,our health care system will suffer the same fate as it must or there'll be a total collapse of the entire system. The way these fool Liberals have literally raped health care,it's bound to happen sooner rather than later.

[JBen]

I'm confused. Have I said anywhere, anytime I like this admin? The most I've said, is giving rural Ontarians a bigger break is the right thing.

would people rather pay them an extra $1,540 when all these new things hit, or $1,000? Lol, when they cancelled the 10% last January everyone hit the roof. Now that they are grovelling for support and putting it back in ( albeit only 8%) everyone's moaning. I assume we are intelligent enough to know it's no answer. Especially when hydro is increasing 8% or more a year alone.

So here's the choices. Pay all the new taxes already in, taxes coming, rate increases coming anyways. With or without this they are coming. Or pay them anyways but less 8% on Hydro or 28% less. There's no law that says we can't voluntarily pay more taxes. So go right ahead, if this results in keeping $500 or $1000 (say your a family of 6, or on electric heat) more a year in your pocket, send it back in protest.
/crickets

Fox, I've now read a number of articles on it. The most I've seen is "depending on where you live". Not saying your mistaken just have seen it.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2935325/wy...n-say-critics/

lol, this article:
"this has been in the works for months". So that could only mean the day they cancelled the 10% rebate, they had this brain child????? More likely, having been trounced in the by election and getting earfuls from her own members. They decided to throw money at it, as that's all they know how how to do.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...ne-speech.html

[rick_iles]

No, you haven't JB. I get where you are coming from. However, unless there is cash in hand after this scam, it is of no benefit. Giving from one hand and taking back with the other ( likely a greater quantum) does nothing to increase the bottom line......

[skypilot]

It's starting to smell a lot like it did during Rae.....Days.

[terrym]

The carbon taxes will trigger inflation of every good and service you consume. What business doesn't use energy to heat the building, manufacture a product or deliver it. Never mind the harvesting of raw materials. Everything has a carbon footprint. Prepare to toss an extra $10 on every tank of gas. She will leave $50 on the table and pull $500 out of your pocket. How do you think the new Hydro owners are going to take price controls after buying shares? Stay tuned for a disaster that will likely end in court.

[JBen]

No worries rick.
I hate what they are doing. And on the hole don't like that they are once again buying support. That's their answer to everything. Create a huge damn mess, then throw $ at people. But in a vacuum it's $ in our pockets. Even if they hammer us else where.

saw something today on where hydro is heading by some economists. Not pretty, it's too late now to "back out and reverse direction without incurring HUGE cost. . And sadly even if the GTA finally sees what the rest of Ontario saw coming years ago ( the unions I'm sure won't bail except for Smokey they rather take everyone down).

Someone, likely Brown will inherit it all. And like Mike Harris before him following Rae, is going to have one hell of a mess to try and fix. Given the debt he will inherit, don't hold your breath for tax relief. And no doubt in the years after, the Unions once again will cry, and cry and cry and cause more pain ( strikes and labour actions) and blame everything on Brown and the cons. And at some point the GTA will buy it (literally and figuratively) again.

[fratri]

Saw this on the global news tonight....

For every $100 in usage that appears on your electricity bill, $77 of that is the Global Adjustment fee. Meaning the cost of electricity use is only $23.



What exactly is included in the Global Adjustment fee? (If you have time, click on the link below-interesting read-basically we are getting screwed)


http://globalnews.ca/news/2839995/wh...mers-must-pay/

[fratri]

No worries rick.
I hate what they are doing. And on the hole don't like that they are once again buying support. That's their answer to everything. Create a huge damn mess, then throw $ at people. But in a vacuum it's $ in our pockets. Even if they hammer us else where.

saw something today on where hydro is heading by some economists. Not pretty, it's too late now to "back out and reverse direction without incurring HUGE cost. . And sadly even if the GTA finally sees what the rest of Ontario saw coming years ago ( the unions I'm sure won't bail except for Smokey they rather take everyone down).

Someone, likely Brown will inherit it all. And like Mike Harris before him following Rae, is going to have one hell of a mess to try and fix. Given the debt he will inherit, don't hold your breath for tax relief. And no doubt in the years after, the Unions once again will cry, and cry and cry and cause more pain ( strikes and labour actions) and blame everything on Brown and the cons. And at some point the GTA will buy it (literally and figuratively) again.

You can't blame the unions for everything..... certainly not for this....The governments the problem, they don't know how to control/spend our money properly and that is the bottom line.

[mosquito]

.... does a cottage count????? I was paying about $45 a month for ZERO usage last winter.

We are going to NEED someone that makes Ronald Regan & Mike Harris combined look like.... Bob Rae to get Ontario turned enough in the right direction to make a difference in 4 years I am afraid. That and the Liberal idiocy I have repeatedly encountered.... I recently read a conversation about the need to reduce debt (Since Ontario's paying about $10B in just covering the debt) but the Lib said...

"yes, we never have to pay of sovereign debt. http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/debt_brief.php
As you can see at no point since 1692 did the UK have zero debt. Between 1692 and now, Great Britain was able to have an industrial revolution, gain an empire, win two world wars, one world cup and then lose the empire. As long as someone is willing to buy Ontario's debt, we can keep writing it."

He jumped to paying it all off and the sad reality he was just incapable of understanding austerity and managing a budget and even the concept of the cost of debt was beyond is understanding... he bragged his degree was from U of T and that made sense actually. Doubling the debt seems to be a Liberal Goal (NDP seems to aim at 4 or 5X) and who is benefiting, not students, not doctors and patients, not the poor by far and taxpayers are on the hook so....

Ontario spends $11.4 billion a year just to service its debt — more than it spends on all social services for adults or to run its universities and colleges. It’s the third largest single item in the budget after health care and public education, and that’s in a historically low-interest-rate environment. So what happens when interest rates rise?
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...est-rates-rise

and if interest rates go up like in the article.... where will they get the money from .... go look in a mirror if you have a job, unless the job has left the province by that time.

[JBen]

Actually we can Fatri and I will. While I could use a number of things to show why ( they likely, almost certainly would be gone long before now if not for them). Ultimately who is to blame. Aka "you get the govt you deserve".

ill stick with Hydro.
Some people blame Harris for the mess Hydro is. And they aren't "wrong". It was Harris after all, that opened Pandora's box. Breaking up Ontario Hydro into 5 separate entities. Fair enough. In hindsight, given where things went and where things stand today, it might be the biggest brain cramp in history.

But why did Harris do the things he did(not the least of which was trying to reduce cost, and thus had to "take on the unions"). Well because he to inherited a god awful mess, left by Rae. Or have you forgotten the mad spending, credit downgrades, or simply "Rae Days".
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there is simply NO ESCAPiNG the fact, that Unions are political puppet masters these days. Like it not, the Unions are too blame for a lot. And the fact that both the auditor general, and Chief elections officer have both sounded very loud warnings bells. Not sure how that escapes you.Its been nothing but trouble since Rae. And one common denominator. Many hate Harris for some of the things he did, and many loved McGuinty because he arguably inherited a bit of mess, especially in healthcare where Harris went too far.

Funny, none of those people who thought McGuinty was their white knight and saviour, ever pause long enough to ask. Why....Why did Harris do things he did.

A "what if"
the province is a god awful mess, Hydro is just one big problem. Who ever inherits it, will have fun. 350 billion debt, a "struggling economy", tax payers on their knees, getting hammered.

you really think if Brown tries to cut cost/spending the Unions won't go bat ship.
Please! And like Harris before him, if he wants to keep his job...If wants things to run smoothly..


didnt every Teachers Union throw a fit because God forbid the province try to keep cost flat ( forget reduce) and class sizes just last year? Yes they did, despite all the glaring, bigger, problems and the province hemmorraging..and tax payers getting crushed, especially those outside the GTA where jobs don't pay tons, nor are there as many jobs............and on that note, wasn't it just last summer Ms Wynne went to bat for the province, trying to control cost....kids on the streets before finals, many not knowing about college acceptances, scholarships...no report cards....
and what is she doing now? Hiring more math teachers (reducing the numbers of students to teachers).

curious Fatri.
Healthcare to is a huge sucking wound these days. Where do you think the $ for thousands of Nurses and more that are needed will come from? Theres only 3 choices.
1) Raise more taxes
2) Go further into debt
3) Reduce cost...But that will mean.......

And thats just healthcare, have we forgotten Hydro already?..

Damn straight the Unions are to blame.