Liberals promise 8% cut to hydro bill, and 20% if you're rural!

[fishermccann]

I know of nothing the unions have done to break the law. They have done what they were paid to do by their dues paying members, like the CEO and his shareholders.

[JBen]

Your hopeless, you'll excuse anything, turn your cheek. And it's that kind of stuff, that is directly and solely responsible for this admin, and thus, what they've done, all the problems and more.

You don't get it and never will no matter what is before your eyes, no matter what is presented, no matter what anyone, including the Cheif elections officer says, or the auditor general, or or or or or or or.

Keep telling yourself whatever it is you need to tell yourself. I'll just say
"good job", the bottom line is, this admin has been kept in power with a lot of help from.....

seriously and honeslty this has been covered soooo many times.

and for the last time, "back to....."

[fishermccann]

Yup, it is the union guy who goes to work at the hospital, pushing residents dinning room , who has got us in this mess.

[skypilot]

I know of nothing the unions have done to break the law. They have done what they were paid to do by their dues paying members, like the CEO and his shareholders.

Yep, same as paying protection money to the mafia and asian gangs.

[JBen]

Omg.
1) haven't said that, in fact did I not say there are teachers who won't vote with the Unions or for Ms Wynne. I'm sure there are a lot of Teachers who don't want their $ being used to campaign for and elect her????
2) have I not said umpteen times "unions"....last I checked that janitor isn't a "Union"
3) have I not tried to emphasize that because people have turned cheeks to soooooo much ( many times)
4) have I not said, or tried to that of the problems and it underlies so much going back years.

Is their political involvement.

i have tried so many times to steer this back. Obviously G, the fact people, many people are looking hard at "things", including Cheif election officers. The fact Ms Wynne has been dragged kicking and screaming in at least some changes regarding financing...it's not enough but it's a start...........

what at more will it take, how can it be worded..
i give up.

[fishermccann]

Unions are doing what they are paid to do, improve the lot of their dues paying members. How can they be at fault for that?

[fratri]

Remember the original problem is the government doesn't know or care about keeping spending under control....seems to me they only care about keeping in power(their jobs).....and that there is the problem...
We need a government that can respect (manage properly) the funds they collect from us.
Whether you work for the public or private sector, you most likely work hard (some harder than others for sure) but we all work. The governments lack of respect they have for most of us working stiffs is just (for lack of a better word) ........sad.... They treat our hard earned money like it's an endless lottery/pit....

[JBen]

Pretty much Fatri.

God i have tried to steer it back a handful of times. G, there's nothing wrong with Unions. There are problems with their political involvement. If we can all agree the province is a "wreck". Can all find "common" ground with Fatris post. There's no denying Unions have poured a ton of $ into keeping this admin in power. And more than the usual suspects ( Google who gives $ to "working families") how does that serve the best interest of

EVERYONE, (queens Park job) especially the "typical stiffs", which includes many in PS. The record shows it's not serving "us" well. Not remotely, how anyone can "defend" that is beyond exasperating.. "Good job". Once upon a time there was this man, who tried to do what he thought was right to. His name? mike Harris. Can you fault him for doing what he was supposed to do, what he was paid to do? I bet you do....

so much had been written about this stuff. So many are ringing bells. And turning "cheeks" to it, is well part of the problem. The larger problem, is the clout if you will over QP and influencing elections.



https://www.thestar.com/news/queensp...g-company.html

[terrym]

There are now enough people on the public payroll, be it Fed-Prov-Muni to keep the Libranos in power. Throw in their spouses ,children, parents, hell even the OPP Union to make criminal charges time out and the sad truth is its now over. They will rule forever. Trudough is about to game the electoral system so that there will never be another Conservative government. Bury your guns and work for cash. Trudough and Wynne are going to bend you over like you have never seen.

[JBen]

the cost of power. The human cost. Whether I mean hydro power, or those who care only about keeping their power. And what they will do to have power. People can make up their own minds.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/2016/08/08
http://globalnews.ca/news/2877618/hy...energy-crisis/

so very much more that could be linked. Like the cost to these people when healthcare is hemmorraging as well. Due note, one of those couple can't afford to run their medicsal equipment necessary for life........ Or what it's going to "cost" and take just trying to fix.....just some....of this stuff. If and when they finally, get kicked out.

And it is beyond exasperating that....even to this day, so many things have to be "argued", despite oh so much. And or efforts to get back on topic despite how hard it is. Because some things are so intricately linked.

At at the end of the day, "we get the govts we deserve". Why do they do the things they do, waste these days, billions, or spend billions buying votes and support.

because "we" let them. No other reasons.
If "we" wouldn't put up with it, condone it and more. Being politicians who only care about staying in power......