Westminster

[Gemini898]

Its not the registered numbers that worried me, it's the people doing backyard breeding. After the GSP was announced as the winner, there was a surge in the amount of people stating they were breeding their dogs (b/c temperment/looks/etc) and selling them cheap in a few different groups I'm in, many are unregistered.
I think a lot of these were the ones ending up in shelters etc because the dogs were being give out to just anyone IMO, I'm basing this on my interactions with a few breeders and how they choose who gets one of their dogs. I don't know if this is the same for every breeder, but the ones local to me always state that they will take a dog back if the rehoming doesn't work out.

On the topic of Westminster ... every time a sporting breed wins it (most recently a GSP) we see a lot of fretting about how the new popularity of the breed is going to ruin the breed, send thousands of dogs to shelters, etc., etc.

Turns out, not. Hal Herzog got his mitts on the AKC's registration data from 1927 - 2005 and crunched the numbers. Winning Westminster had no noticeable effect on the popularity of a breed, as measured by the number of puppies registered annually.

What does have an effect is movies, TV, what breed the President chooses, and so on.

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[69firebird]

Its not the registered numbers that worried me, it's the people doing backyard breeding. After the GSP was announced as the winner, there was a surge in the amount of people stating they were breeding their dogs (b/c temperment/looks/etc) and selling them cheap in a few different groups I'm in, many are unregistered.
I think a lot of these were the ones ending up in shelters etc because the dogs were being give out to just anyone IMO, I'm basing this on my interactions with a few breeders and how they choose who gets one of their dogs. I don't know if this is the same for every breeder, but the ones local to me always state that they will take a dog back if the rehoming doesn't work out.

Registration papers don't mean a single thing. Irresponsible breeders of any kind and irresponsible purchasers contribute to the issues.

If you think a Registered dog means it won't have health issues or is a super dog than your just as irresponsible. Papers can be faked. There's lots of people buying selling and breeding Registered dogs that are garbage, and they know they are doing it.



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[yellow dog]

Responsible breeders register their dogs with a breed club providing proof to the purchaser of all health clearances known to that particular breed with a written guarantee. Responsible breeders are continuously seeking/continued education on how to better the breed for the future of the breed. The list goes on what a responsible breeder is or should be.

[krakadawn]

Responsible breeders register their dogs with a breed club providing proof to the purchaser of all health clearances known to that particular breed with a written guarantee. Responsible breeders are continuously seeking/continued education on how to better the breed for the future of the breed. The list goes on what a responsible breeder is or should be.

Have to agree with this.

Papers and pedigree mean everything in the world of competitive retrievers. Health testing is done and results are clear.

Stringent testing insures a healthy dog at least as it relates to hips/eyes/elbows,EIC,CNM which are pretty much standard in the world of retrievers.

Backyard breeders have no control over the above and in most cases do not test for any of them. We have had numerous discussions on here about breeders who do not provide the above folded into a 26 month gurantee. I have checked several of the web sites and did not find any evidence of those tests.

There is no excuse for not staying current with health tests.

[terrym]

I will add that in this day and age with the internet there is no excuse for "not" finding a well bred dog from a reputable breeder.

[Gemini898]

Registration papers don't mean a single thing. Irresponsible breeders of any kind and irresponsible purchasers contribute to the issues.

If you think a Registered dog means it won't have health issues or is a super dog than your just as irresponsible. Papers can be faked. There's lots of people buying selling and breeding Registered dogs that are garbage, and they know they are doing it.



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I agree with the irresponsible purchasers, people who have not completed enough research on the breed do contribute to issues but reputable breeders typically (IMO) help to limit one of their dogs going into the wrong hands.

With regards to health, issues can arise regardless of whether the dog is registered - I agree but reputable breeders will have stringent health tests conducted, helping to limit the amount of problems within their lines.