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September 30th, 2016, 07:46 AM
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The aggressive dog problem is essentially unsolvable.
There is clear evidence that some breeds (including pit bulls) are more predisposed to aggression than others. But many people simply refuse to accept this evidence. Researchers have only recently started to demonstrate that there are provable behavioural differences between breeds and many people still cling to the idea that those differences don't exist, and that a dog is a blank slate.
Any breed-specific rules run into trouble because it is difficult to establish a dog's breed, short of DNA testing. People clearly lie about their dogs' breeds when faced with these rules. A major part of the problem is indeed idiot owners, and they can switch to other breeds; anything big and nasty-looking will do. Hoping that the insurance market can deal with the problem runs into the same problem.
Switzerland tried a different approach: they mandated that dogs had to have obedience classes, and that owners had to take a how-to-train-a-dog class. This policy was discontinued just a couple of weeks ago, because it had no effect at all.
"The language of dogs and birds teaches you your own language."
-- Jim Harrison (1937 - 2016)
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September 30th, 2016 07:46 AM
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September 30th, 2016, 07:55 AM
#12
With all the breeds easily available it is pretty clear why people are drawn to the pit bulls and that reason isn't because they are cute and friendly. They are all "good dogs" until they snap, jump the fence and kill other dogs or people.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
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September 30th, 2016, 11:08 AM
#13
I have owned many PB and used them for hog hunting. I don't recommend them to people for pets yet I am firmly against government over reach on regs and bans on everything politicians don't like.
However, I have always said if potential PB owners would go one time on a hog hunt with me and watch a PD do what they do well, they would likely never own a PB in a family setting.
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September 30th, 2016, 08:16 PM
#14
Owners are the problem period, I can walk my guy down the road and he will pass a Yorkie or other small dog and if the other dog shows no signs of aggression or dominance towards us there is no problem.If my dog acts up while unprovoked he gets told off.
But most owners with the dogs leading them on the 16 foot leash do not correct their 20lbs yap dogs while they challenge my 90lbs dog.If my dog was to "sort out" the smaller disturber I would get charged immediately.How about some shared responsibility here.
Same crap at the dog park,he could be off leash for an hour playing tag with the other dogs no problems.Some guy walks in with his once a week exercised aggressive Husky,Yellow Lab, that attempts to dominate my dog and yes things will turn out bad.
My dog has shown ZERO aggression towards humans of all kinds in the past 5 years.If you try and break into my home while I,am out,probably a different story.
Yes Pit bulls and similar dogs will inflict more damage in an attack on a human or other animal.
But it would be more useful to look at the owners of pit bulls that have attacked in the past than the dogs.Take away the drug dealers,bikers,criminals and other undesirables and the picture looks different.
The American bull dog was a family pet for almost a century and was known as the Nanny Dog,so trusted was the animal and one of the most popular dogs to own in America.
I wanted a dog that would stand to a bear up at the cabin and protect my home and family. A poodle will not cut it and neither will 90% of the other dogs out there.
If my dog was to get banned I,am getting a Turkish Kangal next time and on and on it goes.
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October 1st, 2016, 04:27 AM
#15
Agree that the bigger problem is the owners. Have never owned a pitbull, though friends do. Wonderful dogs. My daughter has a staff another breed that's vilified , he might be the most docile, peaceful dog I've ever met. It's almost all about the dogs disposition. A lot of that is the owners, but just as with other dogs, those we use for hunting due to their prey drives. Pit bulls come with a disposition that's hard wired and there's no getting rid of it no matter how good an owner/trainer is.........just ask that magician that was mauled by his tiger.
Unlike inanimate objects, living things have minds of their own, can act on their own, can snap, perceive threats and more.
look at the statistics of reported dog bites. The top 3 are PBs, Huskys and I think sheppards ( they might #4). With PBs far, far ahead. So much so, it's clear they are a problem. Statistics can be tricky things though. Before PBs became a popular breed, the leading breed by far. Was German Sheppards. What does this prove? Well the number them out there. As Sheppards fell out of favor, and people started Dobbermans, the number of GS bites naturally fell off. Then PBs became the flavor of the decade........so today they are number 1, and Sheppards #3.
Not against controls. especially when by far, the vast majority of dog bite victims are children under 10, then seniors.
When a human molest or truamatizes a child (physical abuse, be it broken arms or just a slap in the face) all of us react strongly, to say it mildly. Why are we so willing to risk a child being maimed for life when it comes to dogs........and a number of breeds are quite literally loaded guns with minds of their own.
And do recall, children are curious, don't know better and quite likely miss a dogs body language, etc etc. We wouldn't risk a child getting too close to a gun Gilroy....
its really odd this one and let's not read too much into it, or get carried away. It's just a quirky thing. More children are maimed for life by dogs every year, then guns. And yet society....................difference being people are emotionally affected by dogs. Guns not so much.
Last edited by JBen; October 1st, 2016 at 05:26 AM.
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October 1st, 2016, 12:36 PM
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Last edited by Gilroy; October 1st, 2016 at 01:27 PM.
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October 1st, 2016, 03:12 PM
#17
Very interesting. I agree on the JRT blurb - not for a first time dog owner ;they make up a large percentage of dogs released to shelters.
" We are more than our gender, skin color, class, sexuality or age; we are unlimited potential, and can not be defined by one label." quote A. Bartlett
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October 1st, 2016, 05:58 PM
#18
Skypilot "However, I have always said if potential PB owners would go one time on a hog hunt with me and watch a PD do what they do well, they would likely never own a PB in a family setting. "
Skypilot - That's crap. What a pitbull will do to a hog when instructed by the owner has nothing to do with that same pit bull back in the family setting.
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October 1st, 2016, 06:12 PM
#19
JBen - "Pit bulls come with a disposition that's hard wired and there's no getting rid of it no matter how good an owner/trainer is.........just ask that magician that was mauled by his tiger."
Pitbulls are hardwired? Disposed to what? Maybe disposed to understanding what the owner wants and follows that trained direction.
Big difference with the tiger vs the pitbull. I think tigers probaly hate humans. If I was a tiger, I would hate humans.
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October 1st, 2016, 07:12 PM
#20
Originally Posted by
Roper
JBen - "Pit bulls come with a disposition that's hard wired and there's no getting rid of it no matter how good an owner/trainer is.........just ask that magician that was mauled by his tiger."
Pitbulls are hardwired? Disposed to what? Maybe disposed to understanding what the owner wants and follows that trained direction.
Big difference with the tiger vs the pitbull. I think tigers probaly hate humans. If I was a tiger, I would hate humans.
One is a wild animal and the other is domesticated animal.
Two very different things.
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