Vermilion Bay area grouse hunt

[kygrouse]

Didn't mean to cause such a firestorm!! lol I'll say this then I'm out of this conversation....I see no need in a keyboard argument. But anyone who thinks that a "meat hunter" can't also be a conservationist is wrong. They can and do go hand in hand. The "meat hunters" that I grew up with are very aware of what it takes to preserve the natural resources that we have. We enjoy the outdoors as much as anyone and do everything in our small power as individuals to help preserve it.
And again, anyone who thinks harvesting a daily limit of ruffed grouse is going to hurt the population is just uneducated on the species. Or just wanting to pop off at the mouth...either way, I don't care.
I'll be back next year....we met some incredibly nice people in the area and the hospitality was awesome. I could not have enjoyed my trip more....thanks for those of you that say we are welcome.

No more posts for me on this topic...not going to change any minds....so let the bashers fire away....those who agree with me, lets just let this go.

[sidelock]

With all the venting and belligerent tone of some posts, it's evident some don't get out much and have a lot of anger penned up inside so have at it boys, get out there and blast away and kill as many birds as the LAW and regulations allow and don't let anyone on his moral high horse try to stop you. At the end of the day don't forget to take inventory of the numbers of birds killed to remind you of your achievement, success and justification for the money spent. For those who believe that the only criteria a sportsman code of ethics requires is to stay within the law and bag limits, I totally understand where you're coming from.

Let me just remind those who are struggling to define or even misinterpret the definition of moral values and ethics and believe that simply staying within the law is being ethical, there was a time in our past when slavery was legal and so as long as is it was within the LAW, it was ethical ? WAKE UP.

[Hunter John]

Slaves ???? Better to be thought of as an offside jerk than type some rubbish and remove all doubt. WAKE UP !!!

[JBen]

Lol SL, to know me, the actual "me" is to know Im a pretty easy going guy, not a lot phases me or gets under my skin. A couple things that do though are for lack of better words "hyporicsy" do as I say, not as I do types. But first and foremost.

I was raised to "respect" everyone, but never lose or sell my self respect. Worded differently

To each their own.....until and unless you step on my toes.

For someone who came in swinging, accusing someone(a nd now others) you don't know of low moral standards, being unintelligent unethical hunters ( when in fact.....its you thats "offside" and frankly don't understand the nuances of Morals and ethics) to now once again try to claim some moral high ground..

You really should read up on morals and ethics, before...
heres a starter
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethics_vs_Morals

[JBen]

A snippet from just that one link. I could link dozens.....

"ethics refer to rules provided by an external source, e.g., codes of conduct in workplaces or principles in religion"

So, as I clearly said earlier.
With respect to hunting where in the absence of a formal code of ethics and the absence of a formal governing body.

Who gets to play God?
you?

you get to first write the code and dictate the rules
then
"you"
get to to enforce them, "discipline" code breakers?

Me?

The closest we have to a formal set of rules or code of rules is
Guess what
Guess who gets to say who is "ethical" and who is "unethical"

And as for morals you should study the philosophy of those to. How they are formed by societies, by individuals. They are not universal.

Some might think for example theres an appalling lack of morals in this thread................which is odd given...

[Mount Sweetness]

Congrats, I don't think I'll be able to shoot 84 grouse in my lifetime

[finsfurfeathers]

With all the venting and belligerent tone of some posts, it's evident some don't get out much and have a lot of anger penned up inside so have at it boys, get out there and blast away and kill as many birds as the LAW and regulations allow and don't let anyone on his moral high horse try to stop you. At the end of the day don't forget to take inventory of the numbers of birds killed to remind you of your achievement, success and justification for the money spent. For those who believe that the only criteria a sportsman code of ethics requires is to stay within the law and bag limits, I totally understand where you're coming from.

Let me just remind those who are struggling to define or even misinterpret the definition of moral values and ethics and believe that simply staying within the law is being ethical, there was a time in our past when slavery was legal and so as long as is it was within the LAW, it was ethical ? WAKE UP.

Actually curious too know. If you were one of the party of four hunting 5 days how many grouse would you have harvested?

[sidelock]

Fair question ! I'd be more than content with knocking down a couple of birds each day over my dogs to keep them honest but I would continue to hunt them and shoot my blank pistol over their finds to keep them broke (steady to wing and shot). If a party of four shoot over 80 birds in four days and another say two, three or four parties in the same general geographical area shoot similar number of birds since they are so plentiful, the numbers add up astronomically but according to some, three or four hundred birds shot wouldn't even put a dent in the population. What do I know !

[sawbill]

That's been going on for decades in the area we hunt for birds and I can assure you, there's trailer camps and ATV's all over the place off Hwy 560. There's been great years and poor years for grouse all of which I attribute to the natural cycle.

[finsfurfeathers]

Fair question ! I'd be more than content with knocking down a couple of birds each day over my dogs to keep them honest but I would continue to hunt them and shoot my blank pistol over their finds to keep them broke (steady to wing and shot). If a party of four shoot over 80 birds in four days and another say two, three or four parties in the same general geographical area shoot similar number of birds since they are so plentiful, the numbers add up astronomically but according to some, three or four hundred birds shot wouldn't even put a dent in the population. What do I know !

So 2 birds a day in an area where birds can easily redistribute from high to lower concentrations through a fairly connected ecosystem I'd hate to think of us southern hunters. So I dare to ask if you go hunting in the south (for me south is anything within a 2 hour drive of TO) what's your limit?