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October 21st, 2019, 11:36 AM
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October 21st, 2019 11:36 AM
# ADS
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October 21st, 2019, 12:01 PM
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Mike,
Can you clarify "the range rod had no problem even after x15 loads." You were able to take 15 shots without cleaning? Did I understand that right?
Anyway, I basically stopped using Triple Seven after I found some White Hots. The fouling is much less compared to Triple Seven, but I could not dream of taking 15 shots without cleaning.
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October 21st, 2019, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by
rf2
Can you clarify "the range rod had no problem even after x15 loads.
Yup....once I got the sabot below that first 3-4" in the barrel, I switch to a range rod and it pushed down fairly easy after 15 shots. So there is a crud ring...but at the top instead of the bottom
I normally swab the barrel between shots when using T7 or Pyrodex to ensure consistency when I'm zeroing etc.
I guess I'll still have to do that with the BH209.
Last edited by MikePal; October 22nd, 2019 at 07:34 AM.
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October 21st, 2019, 02:33 PM
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October 22nd, 2019, 06:11 AM
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Has too much time on their hands
Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party
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October 22nd, 2019, 07:36 AM
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It might not be perfect, but I have found Black Horn 209 to be the best alternative to black powder for me. Good shooting Mike.
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October 22nd, 2019, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by
fishhawk
It might not be perfect, but I have found Black Horn 209 to be the best alternative to black powder for me.
It does have a few positive points FH, I haven't crono'd it but they say it picks up the velocity some.
I'm glad guys like it enough to go back to using loose powder and develop their loads for the best accuracy. Pellets like the White Hots etc are more convenient, but you could be giving up accuracy for the sake of it.
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October 22nd, 2019, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by
MikePal
It does have a few positive points FH, I haven't crono'd it but they say it picks up the velocity some.
I'm glad guys like it enough to go back to using loose powder and develop their loads for the best accuracy. Pellets like the White Hots etc are more convenient, but you could be giving up accuracy for the sake of it.
It will be interesting to know the velocity difference compared to triple 7, pydorex and goex, real world numbers.
At the price though it seems a little crazy, $3 or so a shot, probably more with premium sabots.
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October 22nd, 2019, 12:26 PM
#9
Originally Posted by
Fox
It will be interesting to know the velocity difference compared to triple 7, pydorex and goex, real world numbers..
I've seen a few charts;
Goex 100 gr of FFG: 1495 ft/sec
777 powder 100 gr ; 1,883 ft/sec
BH 209 100 gr: 1,796 ft/sec
Goex 120 gr of FFG: 1,621 ft/sec
777 powder 120 gr ; 1,913 ft/sec
BH 209 120 gr: 2,036 ft/sec
So basically : " At the same time, the Blackhorn 209 and loose 777 loads were comparable in performance with a difference of approximately 100fps in average velocity.
Honestly, the differences in velocity between the various Blackhorn 209 and 777 loads were not big enough to make a gigantic difference afield. Yes, the 120gr load of Blackhorn 209 has a slightly flatter trajectory than the 120gr load of 777 powder, but it’s a small enough improvement that it should not outweigh other concerns you should keep in mind when choosing a propellant like accuracy, cost, availability, reliable ignition, etc."
Keeping in mind, that most ML shooting is less than 100 yds...100 ft/sec is relatively meaningless.
Last edited by MikePal; October 22nd, 2019 at 12:29 PM.
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October 22nd, 2019, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by
MikePal
I've seen a few charts;
Goex 100 gr of FFG: 1495 ft/sec
777 powder 100 gr ; 1,883 ft/sec
BH 209 100 gr: 1,796 ft/sec
Goex 120 gr of FFG: 1,621 ft/sec
777 powder 120 gr ; 1,913 ft/sec
BH 209 120 gr: 2,036 ft/sec
So basically : " At the same time, the Blackhorn 209 and loose 777 loads were comparable in performance with a difference of approximately 100fps in average velocity.
Honestly, the differences in velocity between the various Blackhorn 209 and 777 loads were not big enough to make a gigantic difference afield. Yes, the 120gr load of Blackhorn 209 has a slightly flatter trajectory than the 120gr load of 777 powder, but it’s a small enough improvement that it should not outweigh other concerns you should keep in mind when choosing a propellant like accuracy, cost, availability, reliable ignition, etc."
Keeping in mind, that most ML shooting is less than 100 yds...100 ft/sec is relatively meaningless.
I think most guns recommend a max powder of less than 100gr of BH209 as well.
It will be nice to see what numbers you actually get out of it.