What the heck is going on here

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

This is precisely the kind of garbage that people are referring to.

YOU as a posting member overload the forums with Youtube links, and CCFR links, providing a very narrow narrative. Toeing the line ever so carefully around the rules, and stepping over them repeatedly crying "mea culpa" when you're called out. You passive aggressively insult any viewpoint that might run contrary to yours. But then refuse to actually engage in much discussion about the outdoors, fishing, or hunting.

Your participation in the "off topic" section is very healthy though. "

You make baseless assertions as to what occurs when threads are locked / deleted, and infractions given.....might surprise you to know how many chances lots of users are given......but that wouldn't preclude you from making thinly veiled suggestions that admins or mods are communists or Nazis....

And people wonder why the forums are seeing a downturn in participation and traffic......

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Meghan

As I said, there are those that have a disdain or even hate facts, the tone shows the empirical proof that there are those that only want to listen to the viewpoints that represent themselves and not learn or be informed. A completely irrational and unrepresentative response to what I said also. The reason I see posted people are turning away is the leftist propaganda and misrepresentation of reality. When I post a youtube video as a video rather than a link it for the most part will have something to do with the topic. The lawyer Ian Runkle for example has many youtube post but I only post those relevant to firearms .

My assertions are also based on facts, as I said in this thread several times, I had one admin send me a "good post" message, while another deleted the same post, the first admin said

"Why??? It didn't break any rules. I would PM Meghan and ask why?"

I didn't want to start a fight on the topic of censorship and the admins arbitrary and seemingly prejudiced actions, but I didn't start this thread and the result I would like to see is admins have to have a second person with a clear criteria required for approval to delete or lock threads. All admins are being grouped in by many as being left leaning ******** and that isn't fair to the ones that care about fair and open debates and discussions.

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Originally Posted by MeghanOOD

What would you amend or change, gbk?
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...-Rules-Conduct

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I am not sure if i am the one to decide about changes.

This -in my mind-is between the Forum and the members. Many displeasure was presented in the past about how things are happening ,and not just in this thread.
Why we do not ask them?

I spend some time tomorrow ,to see what " I "would recommend to change-on the existing rules(as from the link posted above).
But-i am nobody here...so i am not sure if my work will bear any fruit.

Meanwhile- as a token of good will : it would be good to consider to address perhaps the many complaints about heavy handing many posts?
I would see perhaps to review within the decision making chain the "consictency" + "bias" + (especially my concern)moderators active involvement in threads by taking sides, and/or making comments about certain topics/individuals).

You see-to me ,being a representatives of this forum is almost like a jury in court-should be "neutral" in the topic.
No offence to anyone here.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

"Why??? It didn't break any rules. I would PM Meghan and ask why?"

I didn't want to start a fight on the topic of censorship and the admins arbitrary and seemingly prejudiced actions, but I didn't start this thread and the result I would like to see is admins have to have a second person with a clear criteria required for approval to delete or lock threads. All admins are being grouped in by many as being left leaning ******** and that isn't fair to the ones that care about fair and open debates and discussions.

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You just made my point for me.

You are quite capable of being polite, and playing quite the innocent bystander when called out, as you just did.

Yet out and out insulting when disagreed with.

You assert that admins need to consult with one another before issuing an infraction, or shutting down a post or thread....

Might surprise you to learn we actually do, ALL of us typically talk it over, or even peer review if something is on the line or over it.

Ive given you kudos openly when I agree with you, and have indicated when I don't.

Nothing to do with truth, or censorship, as I typically prefer to let folks sort their comments out. But your baseless assertions about peoples individual views, and political beliefs are in the realm of the absurd.

Someone disagrees with you, they're leftist, Liberal, and likely not smart....and evidently don't like the truth? That about sum it up? Scrolling through most of your posts, that's the default ad-hominem insult you level at folks.

For the record, I've never deleted any of your posts, issued you any infractions, nor had anything to do with your last suspension.

But please do continue as if you're the one being attacked....

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

You just made my point for me.

You are quite capable of being polite, and playing quite the innocent bystander when called out, as you just did.

Yet out and out insulting when disagreed with.

You assert that admins need to consult with one another before issuing an infraction, or shutting down a post or thread....

Might surprise you to learn we actually do, ALL of us typically talk it over, or even peer review if something is on the line or over it.

Ive given you kudos openly when I agree with you, and have indicated when I don't.

Nothing to do with truth, or censorship, as I typically prefer to let folks sort their comments out. But your baseless assertions about peoples individual views, and political beliefs are in the realm of the absurd.

Someone disagrees with you, they're leftist, Liberal, and likely not smart....and evidently don't like the truth? That about sum it up? Scrolling through most of your posts, that's the default ad-hominem insult you level at folks.

For the record, I've never deleted any of your posts, issued you any infractions, nor had anything to do with your last suspension.

But please do continue as if you're the one being attacked....

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Well breaking my self imposed boycott of this forum I have to ask who would look at my last infraction notice, moderate with someone else and continue to issue the notice?

Found guilty of 3 (b) of the forum rules

3(b). Personal attacks on members, cyber bullying, libel comments or bashing/slandering of businesses, organizations, individuals or corporations will not be tolerated. Threads deemed to be an attempt to "stir the pot" or are looking for support on their attack will be removed. If you have an issue with a particular organization, business or corporation, please contact them directly. If you have an issue with a particular member, please contact the administrator or a moderator.


Evidence used for the conviction.

(1)I am not telling you anything, just pointing out what the studies have shown, maybe you should read one?

(2) Apparently you were not wayyyyy off grid enough. LOL

Post one was directed as a question to a member if he had read my link sent and Post 2 a joke made directed at nobody in particular.

Who exactly was offended, who was insulted, who was bullied?

If this is the new GOLDEN STANDARD for moderation then I suggest nobody would dare post anything in case they offended somebody.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

You just made my point for me.

You are quite capable of being polite, and playing quite the innocent bystander when called out, as you just did.

Yet out and out insulting when disagreed with.

You assert that admins need to consult with one another before issuing an infraction, or shutting down a post or thread....

Might surprise you to learn we actually do, ALL of us typically talk it over, or even peer review if something is on the line or over it.

Ive given you kudos openly when I agree with you, and have indicated when I don't.

Nothing to do with truth, or censorship, as I typically prefer to let folks sort their comments out. But your baseless assertions about peoples individual views, and political beliefs are in the realm of the absurd.

Someone disagrees with you, they're leftist, Liberal, and likely not smart....and evidently don't like the truth? That about sum it up? Scrolling through most of your posts, that's the default ad-hominem insult you level at folks.

For the record, I've never deleted any of your posts, issued you any infractions, nor had anything to do with your last suspension.

But please do continue as if you're the one being attacked....

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Did I say you did it?

Baseless?? Evidence seems pretty clear. But, you don't care... you have said you didn't like most of my posts, probably happy about the censorship ... sorry, you don't like facts, but truth doesn't change because you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by mosquito

Did I say you did it?

Baseless?? Evidence seems pretty clear. But, you don't care... you have said you didn't like most of my posts, probably happy about the censorship ... sorry, you don't like facts, but truth doesn't change because you don't like it.

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This has zero to do with the truth, censorship, or freedom of speech.

It has to do with respect.

We get it. Trudeau = Evil, Liberals = Evil.

People who don't agree with your assessments 100%, or are willing to openly dialogue on a differing point of view = feeble minded.

Your posts are both predictable, and pedantic. It is your attitude towards others that is problematic.

You're recent posts with me are a prime example. ( "Don't like the facts", "The truth doesn't change because you don't like it").

You're asserting something that doesn't exist in order to elevate your position. And in turn, the byproduct is disrespectful.

You like your soap box? Lot's of venues for it. ( For the record, it has never been about the message, just your particular way of delivering it that I don't like).

It's the fact that you insist on being the answer to the question that no one asked. And then like to argue that you're being censored, or silenced when disrespectful tone, or messaging is called out.

“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well breaking my self imposed boycott of this forum I have to ask who would look at my last infraction notice, moderate with someone else and continue to issue the notice?

Found guilty of 3 (b) of the forum rules

3(b). Personal attacks on members, cyber bullying, libel comments or bashing/slandering of businesses, organizations, individuals or corporations will not be tolerated. Threads deemed to be an attempt to "stir the pot" or are looking for support on their attack will be removed. If you have an issue with a particular organization, business or corporation, please contact them directly. If you have an issue with a particular member, please contact the administrator or a moderator.


Evidence used for the conviction.

(1)I am not telling you anything, just pointing out what the studies have shown, maybe you should read one?

(2) Apparently you were not wayyyyy off grid enough. LOL

Post one was directed as a question to a member if he had read my link sent and Post 2 a joke made directed at nobody in particular.

Who exactly was offended, who was insulted, who was bullied?

If this is the new GOLDEN STANDARD for moderation then I suggest nobody would dare post anything in case they offended somebody.

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So let me try an clarify as to encourage posts that are more forum friendly and aleve ones fear of posting.
The posts were reported by a member which triggered a review.
With 1 mod on leave and another absent only 1 mod was left to review the post and yes found them questionable however benign enough not to warrant immediate action.
When admin became available the posts were reviewed more closely
Post 1

"I am not telling you anything, just pointing out what the studies have shown, maybe you should read one?"

Although the first part of the post was well formated you concluded with the statemnt towards the member that in essence is quite condescening and as such fell under the bullying provision which as stated will not be tolerated.

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"Apparently you were not wayyyyy off grid enough. LOL"

You claim this post was "a joke made directed at nobody in particular." is not exactly truthful
your almost direct quote from the OP's comment indicates you directed the comment towards them and was found to be ment in an antagonastic way, considering your past interactions with the OP it was determend to be meant as a personal attack.

So hopfully you can see who was effected by the negative aspects of your post and understand that a good post is knowiing where to stop before the hurtful part starts.
All admin is asking is be civil to each other.

Re: "Why??? It didn't break any rules. I would PM Meghan and ask why?"
Re: It has to do with respect.

What can I but enumerate old themes?
It's this divisiveness that's problematic, right versus left; no one is any one thing.
I tire of members who have been on here forever, who were originally banned from the Off Topic section for repeated disrupting behaviour, harping about being ill treated when we're repeatedly reviewing Reported Posts complaining about their "on the line" behaviour. I'm also tired of the pithy, follow-up "why" emails, and subsequent petty follow-up behaviour. Let's be adults and problem solve like adults.

If there's a complaint that the MODS are too left-leaning, why do right-leaning MODS never volunteer?
If there's a complaint that there aren't enough hunting/fishing posts, then [I]start posting them.[I] I reiterate to anyone who's tired of the Off Topic section, we can amend your account so you don't see it.
If there's a complaint about a particular member, there's an Ignore function that will take care of that problem for you.

There are multiple short-term fixes for some of the issues discussed in this thread.
As for the longer ones, may I suggest if we spent more time outside enjoying ourselves and bringing those experiences onto the Forum to be shared, and less time sitting like spuds in front of screens, complaining and feeling entitled, the Forum would be an all-round better place.

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Originally Posted by MeghanOOD

Re: "Why??? It didn't break any rules. I would PM Meghan and ask why?"
Re: It has to do with respect.

What can I but enumerate old themes?
It's this divisiveness that's problematic, right versus left; no one is any one thing.
I tire of members who have been on here forever, who were originally banned from the Off Topic section for repeated disrupting behaviour, harping about being ill treated when we're repeatedly reviewing Reported Posts complaining about their "on the line" behaviour. I'm also tired of the pithy, follow-up "why" emails, and subsequent petty follow-up behaviour. Let's be adults and problem solve like adults.

If there's a complaint that the MODS are too left-leaning, why do right-leaning MODS never volunteer?
If there's a complaint that there aren't enough hunting/fishing posts, then [I]start posting them.[I] I reiterate to anyone who's tired of the Off Topic section, we can amend your account so you don't see it.
If there's a complaint about a particular member, there's an Ignore function that will take care of that problem for you.

There are multiple short-term fixes for some of the issues discussed in this thread.
As for the longer ones, may I suggest if we spent more time outside enjoying ourselves and bringing those experiences onto the Forum to be shared, and less time sitting like spuds in front of screens, complaining and feeling entitled, the Forum would be an all-round better place.

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May be its the current commentary on todays society in that if there is a problem then someone else needs to fix it.

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Originally Posted by MeghanOOD

Re: "Why??? It didn't break any rules. I would PM Meghan and ask why?"
Re: It has to do with respect.

What can I but enumerate old themes?
It's this divisiveness that's problematic, right versus left; no one is any one thing.
I tire of members who have been on here forever, who were originally banned from the Off Topic section for repeated disrupting behaviour, harping about being ill treated when we're repeatedly reviewing Reported Posts complaining about their "on the line" behaviour. I'm also tired of the pithy, follow-up "why" emails, and subsequent petty follow-up behaviour. Let's be adults and problem solve like adults.

If there's a complaint that the MODS are too left-leaning, why do right-leaning MODS never volunteer?
If there's a complaint that there aren't enough hunting/fishing posts, then [I]start posting them.[I] I reiterate to anyone who's tired of the Off Topic section, we can amend your account so you don't see it.
If there's a complaint about a particular member, there's an Ignore function that will take care of that problem for you.

There are multiple short-term fixes for some of the issues discussed in this thread.
As for the longer ones, may I suggest if we spent more time outside enjoying ourselves and bringing those experiences onto the Forum to be shared, and less time sitting like spuds in front of screens, complaining and feeling entitled, the Forum would be an all-round better place.

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Well very good that you posted what was said and done so that the members can judge themselves.

I hope the complaining member (s) take your sage advice and use the Ignore feature as you suggested.

That having been said right now you are down to 23 members on line and three are moderators, I suppose you can draw your own conclusions.