Mayor Tory calls for tightened gun controls.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Yes but let's add a twist to this. If someone was to shot a person for breaking into their house and say raping your daughter you would have the book thrown at you. Real criminals are generally treated with kid gloves .

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The example is maybe a little over the top,this is not happening every day.Is your solution to shot the suspect.Maybe in America where they have Castle Laws,but even there it does not seem to deter much crime,they still have crimes every day.

Career criminals are treated with kid gloves but no government has done much about it,many MP,s are lawyers and laws are made with built in loop holes.The laws would have to be much more simple and punishment much harsher,this has not been accomplished by any governments no matter how big their majority was in the house.

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Originally Posted by skypilot

Instead of whining to another useless politician, why not tell your Chief to get off his political correct butt and hammer the thugs.

Weak Pollitically Correct mayors and Police Chiefs are a large part of the problem.

I never saw a law issue an arrest warrant nor apprehend a thug.

Look at Rham and Chiraq, Illinois, same useless political type.

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He is a good Chief and a street copper. A view of the Toronto Police Website on any given day will reveal how busy they are.If you could pick and chose which calls they should NOT ATTEND let me know which ones.I think the boys and gals in blue are pretty busy.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

He is a good Chief and a street copper. A view of the Toronto Police Website on any given day will reveal how busy they are.If you could pick and chose which calls they should NOT ATTEND let me know which ones.I think the boys and gals in blue are pretty busy.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/

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As cops, you and I both know busy doesn't mean effective.

No secret where the crime is, who does it, etc., etc., you and I both know that too.

The real Question is why Tory and Emmanuel don't grasp the reality in Taranna and Chiraq?

No doubt their sensitivity to political correctness has neutered them.

You ever see a law arrest and handcuff anyone? Me neither, it takes cops doing what they need to do rather than what they are told to do.

I for one am all for bringing back the death penalty. If you get caught dealing drugs or in the above case smuggling guns into the country, punishment is death. Be it by hanging, electric chair, or a needle. Cost no more than a $100.00 We need some sort of detourant..

bull puckey Gilroy.

While on a loose, general sense I agree with you.
This is just the beginning, tip of the ice berg.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/supr...imes-1.3031847

Why does it cost that much?
Well Im guessing in part University Courses, good food, rec rooms etc, etc. Which I should add don't mind that for some.(freudian edited out ;)) .., perhaps its time to decide that career criminals,......well maybe they can do with less...

"Up to 10 years".........which we all know means out in 3 or so,

Again if Tory or JT want sound bytes ( Must balance the rights of legal gun owners versus public safety) type stuff.

Than for Chris sakes, make the streets safer and get tough on gangs/drugs/guns.
Novel Idea right
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Originally Posted by Bo D

I for one am all for bringing back the death penalty. If you get caught dealing drugs or in the above case smuggling guns into the country, punishment is death. Be it by hanging, electric chair, or a needle. Cost no more than a $100.00 We need some sort of detourant..

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There have been scores of people on death row who were later proven to be innocent so not a great solution.Dealings drugs there are better ways to solve that basically make the drugs legal,Portugal did that and the country has not fallen apart.A deterrent should be hard jail time, everybody has to work,don,t work your rations get cut down to survival amounts.Work hard, show repentance and your time gets cut.Escape or attempted escapes your time gets doubled.Not to many people returned for seconds visits to the Gulag,s.
Canada's far north is perfect 1,000klm everwhere from nowhere.Have them build roads and drop timber.

I wouldn't have a problem, at all, with capital punishment when it's a smoking gun case ( which could be a few things, from iron clad DNA, video etc). Think Bernardo, Luka Magnotta and some others for purely reference to what I mean by "smoking gun".

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Dealings drugs there are better ways to solve that basically make the drugs legal,Portugal did that and the country has not fallen apart.

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And this has the effect of decreasing the criminal demand for firearms: it takes away both the risk that motivates gun carrying, and also the income that makes those guns affordable. Not that legalization is the panacea some make it out to be, but it is a far more practical and effective approach than is banning handguns.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

A deterrent should be hard jail time....

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We need to recognize the difference between the predatory crimes of career criminals and other crimes which are much less serious or much les likely to be repeated, and sentence accordingly. I'm far more concerned about a con man than I am a guy who sells a little weed. James Q Wilson argues that part of the answer to serious crime is to remove predatory criminals from the population via long sentences; you reduce the overall cost of incarceration by not throwing away the key on the relatively harmless guys and the guys who are unlikely to reoffend.

Also, the probability of being caught deters people more than a harsh sentence ... the best deterrent is active and effective policing coupled to a good sentencing policy.

As far as putting people to death without trial for smuggling guns goes, let's bear in mind that many smuggling cases involve people who have been coerced into carrying guns over the border, or who may even be unaware of it. One recent gun smuggling trick is to break into a car with Ontario plates in Detroit, conceal guns in the car, then break in and take them when the car gets home to Windsor. Since we're putting the driver of that car to death without trial now, that's the end of your poor Aunt Martha who never hurt a fly. I'm pretty sure that's not a good sentencing policy. :)

Harper passed laws to crack down and the left and judiciary refused to enforce the laws that were on the books. Real work camps like Gilroy proposes are exactly what they need. They need to be productive and pay for their keep. The death penalty has its place for certain crimes but the possibility of hanging an innocent person makes it a no go for me.

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Originally Posted by terrym

Harper passed laws to crack down and the left and judiciary refused to enforce the laws that were on the books.

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Alternatively, Harper passed laws that violated the laws on the books -- i.e., the constitution -- and the courts invalidated the new laws accordingly. The constitutional principle under which the courts threw out mandatory minimums has been around a long time, and it protects us all. Intent, and not action, is the heart of a crime.

For example, in throwing out the mandatory minimum for gun trafficking, the courts protected every gun owner in the country from being thrown in the slammer with a mandatory minimum sentence for selling a gun without checking the buyer's PAL -- something many gun owners are convinced is allowed under the law.