Dog train-and-trail areas proposed

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Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers

I would have to disagree with these common sense suggestions made by folks like CONSERVATION OFFICERS. Hunting dogs are not born knowing their craft and a safe place to teach and refine those skills are needed. Once you start banning those what's next bird hunting preserves because pheasant are caged to crowded. Heck might as well ban hunting altogether as shooting a living creature has to be cruel. Why stop there fishing got to go stick a hook in a fish just to drag it around than release it pure for enjoyment come on that's the definition for cruelty.
Yes one has to be respectful of the game but in the end I do believe animals are that and to anthropomorphize them is not in the best interest. I believe with nonsensical comments they should ignore it and just carry on.

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THIS! Where does it stop?

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Just wondering if ANYBODY is really paying attention to this environmental registry and common sense suggestions made by folks like CONSERVATION OFFICERS. It seems to just be a bunch of data they get and they ignore it and just carry on?

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I think I posted this on another thread,but,I have ZERO confidence in the entire ERO "feedback" thing. I think it's a joke.

I suppose once your retired you feel free to express how you really feel. There goes a couple of COs who probably spent their whole careers hating on us barbarians. I'm sure they are the exception. The same way 99% of us operate in a legal and ethical manner. I'm not as familiar with the fox or coyote pens, but have a lot of experience with managing rabbit /hare train and trial areas. Since the old legislation was brought in, in 1998, there has not been one instance of a rabbit/hare pen or managers being charged with anything. According to these two, it's because we are master criminal minds able to avoid prosecution for over twenty years. The reality is that we are willing to comply with the rules and regulations and just want to do are thing, in the same unobtrusive way we always have.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Just wondering if ANYBODY is really paying attention to this environmental registry and common sense suggestions made by folks like CONSERVATION OFFICERS. It seems to just be a bunch of data they get and they ignore it and just carry on?

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I would think that anti hunting and animal rights groups monitor these closely. Concerning COs, I think their mandate is strictly enforcement. It's my experience in recent times that they have no interest in addressing concerns regarding conservation issues or modifying regs. Their mandate in the MNRF is confined to enforcement.

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Originally Posted by swampsinger

I would think that anti hunting and animal rights groups monitor these closely. Concerning COs, I think their mandate is strictly enforcement. It's my experience in recent times that they have no interest in addressing concerns regarding conservation issues or modifying regs. Their mandate in the MNRF is confined to enforcement.

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Well that is true and enforcement should be their main task so I agree with you. However when retired officers speak up and point out short comings in the "system" and abuse by certain elements in the hunting fraternity I believe they should be listened to. Their comments' were mostly about coyote hunters and what they discovered in a Province wide investigation as it related to fair chase and the handling of live coyotes.

You and your organization appear to be doing a great job and service to Ontario hunters , appreciate you.

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Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well that is true and enforcement should be their main task so I agree with you. However when retired officers speak up and point out short comings in the "system" and abuse by certain elements in the hunting fraternity I believe they should be listened to. Their comments' were mostly about coyote hunters and what they discovered in a Province wide investigation as it related to fair chase and the handling of live coyotes.

You and your organization appear to be doing a great job and service to Ontario hunters , appreciate you.

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It can and has been frustrating dealing with MNRF, the local COs and the area office were a total bust in helping us with our concerns. I believe their hands were tied and ended up being a fire wall for the ivory tower in PTBO. We did not get any traction until we turned for help from the Ontario Sporting Dog Association and importantly the Federation of Anglers and Hunters.
Over several years we dealt with 8 different ministers of natural resources. I would be remiss if I don't mention the cooperation of John Yakabuski, Graydon Smith, and Doug Ford.