English pointer health clearances .... none.
Due to proper breeding combined with proper culling.
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English pointer health clearances .... none.
Due to proper breeding combined with proper culling.
No hip or eye clearances by those breeding English pointers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
First let let me say, I know labs I do not know pointers, but I thought I had read that hip dysplasia and PRA were potential health issues with pointers?
PRA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota Creek
They do hips for English setters occasionally, but for English pointers there are no commonly performed health clearances. There are some issues with the breed like ACl issues and a possible prevalence of cancer in certain lines but nothing you can really test for.
I don't about English pointers but "German shorthaired pointers are relatively free of any common health issues, but the GSPCA does recommend health clearances for a few rare ailments like hip dysplasia, progressive retinal atrophy and cone degeneration."
"The English Setter, which has an average lifespan of 10 to 12 years, is prone to major health issues such as elbow dysplasia, deafness, hypothyroidism, and canine hip dysplasia (CHD). It is also prone to epilepsy, Osteochondrosis Dissecans (OCD) and progressive retinal atrophy (PRA). To identify some of these issues, a veterinarian may recommend thyroid, hearing, elbow, hip, and eye exams for the dog."
What this means for the field setter , I don't know.
You can't find what you don't look for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakezilla
According to the statistics on OFAs website, 8% of pointers tested are displastic. More shockingly though is that in the history of OFA only 1,615 pointers have been tested for hip displaysia even though the pointer is one of the most popular sporting dogs.
I wonder how many of these health problems associated with the setter and English pointers are from bench or show breeding ie AKC etc and how many are from the FDSB which from my understanding is more of a performance based registry more associated with field trialing.
There is not real reason to look because the breeders like Bob Wehle's and Ferrel Miller did what they needed to in order to keep most problems out of their bloodlines. I don't know enough about other breeds to really comment but it sounds to me like people in the past were breeding dogs that maybe shouldn't have been bred leading to the issues experienced today with some of those breeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by jobbershunting
Ahh yes the Ostrich head in the sand method, if I don't look its not there!!!!!
And how does one "properly cull"?
Selective breeding I understand, however "properly culling" sounds like a barbaric PETA inspiring method.
Not to mention it is done with NO scientific insight to support it.
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Originally Posted by Jakezilla
Well said cdnvizsla,Quote:
Originally Posted by cdnvizsla
Troll?
So anyone who points out the ignorance and inflammatory nature of a completely unsubstiantied and WRONG assertation is a troll?
If challenging and holding accountable inaccurate, ill advised, and inflammatory statement is wrong, then I am a troll.
If expecting that people on a hunting forum would measure the words they use bearing in mind it is a PUBLIC forum and can be viewed, and in turn be used to place legitimate hunters and breeders in a bad light then I am a troll.
As for the science of it all, I have attached a link for those that care to read, but ostriches need not read as the light may burn their eyes. http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/disorder/hip-dysplasia
http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/pointer
Mods, if I have offended anyone I apologize, I guess I should be culled