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October 27th, 2014, 07:05 PM
#11
English pointer health clearances .... none.
Due to proper breeding combined with proper culling.
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October 27th, 2014 07:05 PM
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October 27th, 2014, 07:43 PM
#12
Originally Posted by
Jakezilla
English pointer health clearances .... none.
Due to proper breeding combined with proper culling.
No hip or eye clearances by those breeding English pointers?
First let let me say, I know labs I do not know pointers, but I thought I had read that hip dysplasia and PRA were potential health issues with pointers?
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October 27th, 2014, 07:53 PM
#13
Originally Posted by
Dakota Creek
No hip or eye clearances by those breeding English pointers? Thought hip dysplasia and PRA were potential health issues with pointers?
PRA?
They do hips for English setters occasionally, but for English pointers there are no commonly performed health clearances. There are some issues with the breed like ACl issues and a possible prevalence of cancer in certain lines but nothing you can really test for.
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October 27th, 2014, 08:11 PM
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I don't about English pointers but "German shorthaired pointers are relatively free of any common health issues, but the GSPCA does recommend health clearances for a few rare ailments like hip dysplasia, progressive retinal atrophy and cone degeneration."
"The English Setter, which has an average lifespan of 10 to 12 years, is prone to major health issues such as elbow dysplasia, deafness, hypothyroidism, and canine hip dysplasia (CHD). It is also prone to epilepsy, Osteochondrosis Dissecans (OCD) and progressive retinal atrophy (PRA). To identify some of these issues, a veterinarian may recommend thyroid, hearing, elbow, hip, and eye exams for the dog."
What this means for the field setter , I don't know.
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October 28th, 2014, 09:06 AM
#15
Originally Posted by
Jakezilla
PRA?
They do hips for English setters occasionally, but for English pointers there are no commonly performed health clearances.
You can't find what you don't look for.
According to the statistics on OFAs website, 8% of pointers tested are displastic. More shockingly though is that in the history of OFA only 1,615 pointers have been tested for hip displaysia even though the pointer is one of the most popular sporting dogs.
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October 28th, 2014, 09:33 AM
#16
Health Clearances
I wonder how many of these health problems associated with the setter and English pointers are from bench or show breeding ie AKC etc and how many are from the FDSB which from my understanding is more of a performance based registry more associated with field trialing.
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October 28th, 2014, 01:54 PM
#17
Originally Posted by
jobbershunting
You can't find what you don't look for.
According to the statistics on OFAs website, 8% of pointers tested are displastic. More shockingly though is that in the history of OFA only 1,615 pointers have been tested for hip displaysia even though the pointer is one of the most popular sporting dogs.
There is not real reason to look because the breeders like Bob Wehle's and Ferrel Miller did what they needed to in order to keep most problems out of their bloodlines. I don't know enough about other breeds to really comment but it sounds to me like people in the past were breeding dogs that maybe shouldn't have been bred leading to the issues experienced today with some of those breeds.
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October 28th, 2014, 01:59 PM
#18
Ahh yes the Ostrich head in the sand method, if I don't look its not there!!!!!
And how does one "properly cull"?
Selective breeding I understand, however "properly culling" sounds like a barbaric PETA inspiring method.
Not to mention it is done with NO scientific insight to support it.
Originally Posted by
Jakezilla
English pointer health clearances .... none.
Due to proper breeding combined with proper culling.
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October 28th, 2014, 05:40 PM
#19
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
cdnvizsla
Ahh yes the Ostrich head in the sand method, if I don't look its not there!!!!!
And how does one "properly cull"?
Selective breeding I understand, however "properly culling" sounds like a barbaric PETA inspiring method.
Not to mention it is done with NO scientific insight to support it.
Well said cdnvizsla,
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October 28th, 2014, 07:32 PM
#20
Troll?
So anyone who points out the ignorance and inflammatory nature of a completely unsubstiantied and WRONG assertation is a troll?
If challenging and holding accountable inaccurate, ill advised, and inflammatory statement is wrong, then I am a troll.
If expecting that people on a hunting forum would measure the words they use bearing in mind it is a PUBLIC forum and can be viewed, and in turn be used to place legitimate hunters and breeders in a bad light then I am a troll.
As for the science of it all, I have attached a link for those that care to read, but ostriches need not read as the light may burn their eyes. http://ic.upei.ca/cidd/disorder/hip-dysplasia
http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/pointer
Mods, if I have offended anyone I apologize, I guess I should be culled
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