Makes a claim and can't prove it, tosses an insult and scurries away. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Makes a claim and can't prove it, tosses an insult and scurries away. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Post a link to the bylaw.
No I already posted the answer, twice, your inability to comprehend it is not my problem nor my responsibility to explain it to you. So I'm not playing.
Like most of you what you post, a contrary argument on topics you have no knowledge of just to stir the pot. An old game that your mentor Gilly uses.
I think my dog will like to know that taking him for a walk is called scurrying....though.
oh and don't expect a response for whatever cleaver rebuttal you come up with...I'm truly done with you.
"I think my dog will like to know that taking him for a walk is called scurring....though."
I usually feel like I just stepped in dog doo after reading his posts.
You made a claim that you can't back up. I would like to see the municipal bylaw in Ontario that requires mask use outdoors at garage sales or farmers markets under the circumstances you describe. You say there is and expect everyone to accept your statement at face value.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
You have a chance to prove me wrong. Go ahead. Make your day!
I have both shots. I am starting business travel next week (Quebec City), Calgary/Edmonton in early August and Vancouver in late August with a trip to Chicago in Sept. Being vaccinated makes me feel safer and will, in the future, allow me more access to places and services that those unvaccinated.
Just had second dose today
finished cutting 1/3 of lawn it’s wet here cutting thru water have to let dry out some
My sentiments exactly. I'm a sheeple with my second shot. No side effects, not even the urge to vote liberal yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by 410001661
That’s because “they” haven’t activated the little nano-dohickey thingies they injected into you…….yet !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by warpipe
Does make you wonder: screw the passport idea, why don't they just issue all these ticket agents a 'nano-bot' scanners to check the travelers. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
"Dr Charles Hoffe MD, in his latest update of July 6, 2021 is reporting on the disturbing findings in his patients. He says the mRNA vaccines are plugging up thousands of tiny capillaries in the blood of those who took the ‘vaccine.’ Most will die in a few short years from heart failure."
"The spike proteins injected, which are designed to be mass produced in the bodies of the vaccinated, are the cause of the clotting, which is having adverse effects on no fewer than 60 percent of people injected."
"Dr Hoffe explains he has been performing D-dimer tests on his mRNA ‘vaccinated’ patients and he has worryingly identified that 62 percent of them had these microscopic blood clots."
https://principia-scientific.com/doc...l-most-people/
Oh My my
Oh boy....Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Attachment 41999
I got about halfway through this thread and seen the division already created by it. It is clear people have strong views. For those who are saying you are putting others at risk..that is your problem. A problem that was supposed be addressed as Trudeau stated last February, "once we get vaccinated all will return to normal" . Ok, if that is the case, then you go ahead and take the jab for you, then you are safe...but are you. The jab doesn't work, and will require boosters.
For those who say you are putting others at risk, or taking a hospital bed. The beds are being occupied by the same people who get sick from Influenza A and B. This risk group is and will always be those with comorbidity issues..not the general population.
So for those who are trying to infringe on other peoples choices, you are and should be minding your own business, and taking what precautions are correct and safe for you. Let the rest of us alone in choices.
If the jab doesn't work why are the cases dropping? And on tonights news cases in Arkansas are way up and hospital beds are scarce compared to the national average. Why? Well it just so happens that they are way behind in getting vaccinated compared to the rest of the country. But I'm sure the anti vacksers will have some googled up excuse that makes sense.
Isn't that the Kiss your cousin state?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
The cases are dropping because it is summer here in Canada. It is not Flu season. It has been this way like you know, the last 1,000 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Nothing anti vax about it. Simple common sense.
Shut the TV off. You will feel much better.
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Originally Posted by sawbill
Maybe you need to ask yourself why cases dropped last summer without vaccines just like this year with vaccines?
You and some others must have a very short memory or watch to much MSM. Nothing much new this year compared to last.
If you and others are so confident the numbers are dropping because of vaccines, what will be your excuse when flu season hits and the numbers go back up? First it was people not staying home, then it was people not wearing masks, now the attack is on unvaccinated spreading the virus. With other provinces wide open no masks, the numbers are declining, how can than be it doesn't fit the narrative....lol.
I'm guessing that the drop in cases is due in a large part to the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Onset of summer undoubtedly helped - but how much?
We are not going to know until October how effective the vaccine is/was.
Its not just the vaccine thats doing its job. It's a combination of vaccines, wearing a mask and social distancing. Every area that has defied their useage has shown an increase or a sustained incidence of covid cases. But I guess for some this isn't proof that its working.
If I stand corrected the numbers declined last year without vaccines during summer just like every year this year included.Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
If the vaccines are the difference, how possibly do we have other provinces wide open no restrictions, no masks, many still unvaccinated and the numbers are in decline? The facts just do fit the narrative.
If the numbers go back up this coming flu season what then will MSM use for an excuse, probly it's because of the unvaccinated spreading it.
MSM is spreading more BS than anything else imo.
Strange how places not wearing masks, no restrictions, many unvaccinated numbers are declining. How is it possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
BTW our western provinces are laughing at Ontario over restrictions..
Attachment 42007Ontario is the most locked down area in North America shouldn't the numbers be on the rise for the rest of the continent then?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
https://twitter.com/gddub/status/141...7ztyhfjNis9l0k
Just watch Australia....they're in their fall-winter months now..and if last year between June and Sept are any indication, it's their worst months. I see there are already starting to have 'wave' type increases..Quote:
Originally Posted by werner.reiche
https://www.google.com/search?q=aust...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Its quite simple Willy. Ontario is the most populated province and with the restrictions is basically holding its own when it comes to containing the spread. And anybody knows, or should know that population density has a lot to do with how much a virus can spread or not.
Anyway, it sure is pointless discussing the issue with you guys as you cherry pick your stats from the net and ignore others that are just as pertinent. How the vaccines were developed in such a short time is a good example.
I'm outta here! Gone fishin.
Sydney back in lockdown ... I have friends there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Good Luck!Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Florida - population 21.6 million - wide openQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/im-s...-patients.html
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‘I’m sorry, but it’s too late’ Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients
Updated 9:04 AM; Today 7:00 AM
By Dennis Pillion | [email protected]
Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying.
“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections,” wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. “One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.”
Three COVID-19 vaccines have been widely available in Alabama for months now, yet the state is last in the nation in vaccination rate, with only 33.7 percent of the population fully vaccinated. COVID-19 case numbers and hospitalizations are surging yet again due to the more contagious Delta variant of the virus and Alabama’s low vaccination rate.
For the first year and a half of the pandemic, Cobia and hundreds of other Alabama physicians caring for critically ill COVID-19 patients worked themselves to the bone trying to save as many as possible.
“Back in 2020 and early 2021, when the vaccine wasn’t available, it was just tragedy after tragedy after tragedy,” Cobia told AL.com this week. “You know, so many people that did all the right things, and yet still came in, and were critically ill and died.”
In the United States, COVID is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated, according to the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In Alabama, state officials report 94% of COVID hospital patients and 96% of Alabamians who have died of COVID since April were not fully vaccinated.
“A few days later when I call time of death,” continued Cobia on Facebook, “I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same.”
“They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was ‘just the flu’. But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives.”
More than 11,400 Alabamians have died of COVID so far, but midway through 2021, caring for COVID patients is a different story than it was in the beginning. Cobia said it’s different mentally and emotionally to care for someone who could have prevented their disease but chose not to.
“You kind of go into it thinking, ‘Okay, I’m not going to feel bad for this person, because they make their own choice,’” Cobia said. “But then you actually see them, you see them face to face, and it really changes your whole perspective, because they’re still just a person that thinks that they made the best decision that they could with the information that they have, and all the misinformation that’s out there.
“And now all you really see is their fear and their regret. And even though I may walk into the room thinking, ‘Okay, this is your fault, you did this to yourself,’ when I leave the room, I just see a person that’s really suffering, and that is so regretful for the choice that they made.”
Cobia said that the strain wears on healthcare workers after the trauma of 2020 and 2021.
“It’s really hard because all of us physicians and other medical staff, we’ve been doing this for a long time and all of us are very, at this point, tired and emotionally drained and cynical,” she said.
Cobia said the current wave of Delta patients reminds her of the time in October and November of 2020, just before Alabama’s peak of coronavirus cases and deaths.
“What we saw in December 2020, and January 2021, that was the absolute peak, the height of the pandemic, where I was signing 10 death certificates a day,” she said. “Now, it’s certainly not like that, but it’s very reminiscent of probably October, November of 2020, where we know there’s a lot of big things coming up.”
For people who are hesitant to receive the vaccine, Cobia recommends speaking to their primary care physician about their concerns, just as she did.
“I try to be very non-judgmental when I’m getting a new COVID patient that’s unvaccinated, but I really just started asking them, ‘Why haven’t you gotten the vaccine?’ And I’ll just ask it point blank, in the least judgmental way possible,” she said. “And most of them, they’re very honest, they give me answers. ‘I talked to this person, I saw this thing on Facebook, I got this email, I saw this on the news,’ you know, these are all the reasons that I didn’t get vaccinated.
“And the one question that I always ask them is, did you make an appointment with your primary care doctor and ask them for their opinion on whether or not you should receive the vaccine? And so far, nobody has answered yes to that question.”
I see some rumblings about shifting vaccination rates to 90% now due to the "threat" of the Delta variant.
A new top doctor comes onto the scene and the goalposts are moving.
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Well atleast now we know it's working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
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If we are to believe the news ... isn't there a 4th wave of COVID ramping up in the USA right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
If it's true ... we can't then say COVID is down here only because of the warmer weather ... that would be more the case in the USA then.
I honestly think the truth lies somewhere in between.
For me, COVID virus was an experiment ... can't tell you whether it was leaked by accident or on purpose.
For sure pharmaceutical companies saw the opportunity and took advantage .... billions $$ to make. Got governments
in check, and made it difficult/scary enough to get the majority of the population to take the vaccine ... lined a few pockets
in the process ... and here we are.
The only real question I have is did they test the vaccine sufficiently or not? I do not think they intentionally want to kill people,
but I can see corners being cut to rush the vaccine out to us (first to produce takes the lion share of the pot). We already have
evidence of FDA approving stuff they shouldn't have (Aspartame ... Cigarettes, etc).
Florida and Great Britain are blowing up again. Blaming the non vaxed. Heard it on 680. Is it fall/winter there....?
Is that supposed to scare those of us who are unvaccinated or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
It's being attempted by far more than the likes of you, to no avail.
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People keep confusing "warm" with "dry".
It isn't summer or temperature, it's high relative humidity that stops respiratory illness spread.
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It's too late in Norway too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-q...t&guccounter=2
Death for Profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
https://rumble.com/vk2bya-exclusive-...Yv5sLDSK272P1I
Ahh Rogers Media.Quote:
Originally Posted by cramadog2
Attachment 42009
https://chemicalviolence.com/2021-07...accinated.html
Why isn't that doctor charged for murder? He can obviously give the patient an 0.11 cent pill...and majority of the symptoms would be gone in 2 days.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
... and for all these folksQuote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
I have an aunt under 65 who has spent the last 2 weeks in hospital with blood clots in her brain. It would be interesting to know if she thinks the benefits outweigh the risks.
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Prayers for your Aunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
With less than 350 cases in Canada yesterday why are we still restricted?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
If our western provinces are wide open no masks, no restrictions, how possibly can the numbers be so low if covid is so dangerous?
Until people wake up and use some common sense, MSM will continue to push fear mongering covid vaccine propaganda. Those who choose to allow themselves to be told how to think are just as much to blame for the problems in society.
Why the growing trend of censorship, if there's nothing to hide there's no reason to censor. It would appear the truth may be to hard for the players and their followers to admit.
Did the virus really come from a wet market as reported, is covid really killing as many people as reported? If the vaccines were safe and effective why the need for a third shot, why so many vaccine deaths going unreported? Question like these remain unanswered, those who have been telling the truth have been censored, deplatformed, villafied by public displays of covid police arrests and takedowns.
Aspartame and cigarettes are not used as leverage to lock people and economy down.
The old heard immunity standards are now increased because the vaccines are not what they expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
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Thanks Willie. There are others in our circle of friends and family experiencing post vaccine complications as well but nobody appears to be able to connect the dots because the vaccines are "so safe".Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
An aunt on the other side of the family was just hospitalized a few days ago with the return of a health issue that had been in remission for the past few years.
My brother hasn't had the return of feeling in his thumb and wrist since his second shot a week ago. He had a past injury there from a crossbow accident that hasn't bothered him in years. His entire arm was sore from the shot, that went away but the wrist and thumb issue remained.
Of course, none of these have been officially reported as vaccine side effects.
I don't know anyone personally that was hospitalized with covid.
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Good Grief. I don't know anybody that was hospitalized with covid either but have talked to a few cottagers who were out of commission for a few days after their shots. My buddy stopped in and said some locals were sticking quarters on their arms at her BIL garage after their shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
An adverse reaction vaccine reporting site with 90k members was taken down on FB today, Dereck Sloan's CPAC presentation with the two doctors was taken down from YouTube last week, somethin smells more than a little fishy.
Well I know personally 2 people who were in the Hospital for Covid and 7 now who were very sick and my daughters husband best friend died at age 30 from Covid19 no underlying health conditions and I do not know of a single person who has had a side affect and everyone where I work has been vaccinated.
You guys in Russell must be in the placebo group of the experiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I guess you don't get out much?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...accine-safety/
I know 3 people that were hospitalized, two in their 40's and one in their 70's.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Others that weren't hospitalized, that are close to me:
- My uncle got very sick, was turned away from hospital because his symptoms weren't bad enough, then died a few days later in his home.
- My close cousin who I fish often with, just turned 50, got it, VERY VERY sick, but he wasn't put in ICU, although he went to hospital a few times due to trouble breathing. He still hasn't got back his sense of taste or smell after over a month of being better. He cannot taste anything.
- A more distant cousin ... she got it early on in 2020, it seems she wasn't severely sick from it, from what I understand ... but I didn't talk to her directly.
Other's I don't know directly, but I do know someone only 1 step removed:
- guy at work, both parents died from COVID
- guy at work, one that I personally know and went to ICU (in the numbers above) ... 40 year old guy beside him died of COVID in hospital. He literally saw him die due to trouble breathing ... they became friends (bedside buddies) while in ICU.
COVID is not your ordinary flu bug ... sorry guys, I've literally spoken to all the people I mention above, and they are very trusted people in my circle. Nothing like we've seen before. It's a BAD virus.
Can't tell you if the virus got out by accident, or on purpose ... but the virus is real, and it's worse than your ordinary flu. You don't want to get sick from it ... at least not without the vaccine.
Why are they pushing so hard?
https://www.facebook.com/kelly.sexto...26304847833058
PM sent Mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
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You must get out a lot. Based on the stats posted there you would have to know 20,000 vaccinated people to come across one person that encountered serious side effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Actually I do. I work in healthcare. Ground zero!Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
Patients have a tendency to congregate in the same area.
See how stats work?
The number is 1 in 9500 people for serious side effects - each person gets two shots. That is a lot of people though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Species8472
But there is a lot of skepticism that the reported "serious side effects" are just the tip of the iceberg.
There has been so much mis-information spread that it's difficult to believe anything that comes from health Canada, the CDC or the WHO.
A 45 year old coworker got it and was extremely ill with a week in the hospital. Brain fog, shortness of breath unable to return to work, deemed a covid long hauler. On advice of her doctor she got the vaccine and has since made almost a complete recovery. An 82 bed long term care home in Almonte had 30 of its residents leave in body bags, the flu not so much.
So far the shot has killed more in Australia than covid 19 in 2021 how horrible is a that. They just confirmed 2 more deaths related to az .
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Just read today 85% of new infections in Israel are vaccinated individuals.....oh boy..Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Guessing MSM news won't be reporting real news about covid, just the need for a booster shot...lol
My buddy recently got his first shot of pfizer. 4 hours after enjoying a movie on his couch his heart stopped. ended up stopping 3 times if it wasn't for his girlfriend calling 911 who knows what would have happened. He is fine now and waiting on test results. He will not be getting the 2nd shot. He is healthy and age is mid 30's. If you want the shot for whatever reason then get it. If you have a gut feeling not to then don't get it.
What % of Israel is vaccinated?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
If 100% of the population is vaccinated ... I'd expect 100% of the new infections to be with vaccinated individuals, because
there are NO unvaccinated people left. How can you even then have an unvaccinated person get covid, if there are none?
That metric on its own does not mean anything.
Well a new study is showing it's only 39% effective against infection.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-delta-strain/
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My bad, should have saved the link, but it was not of a surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I'm sure our coming lockdown by the end of year will become a MSM attack on the unvaccinated causing economic shutdown.
The last few lockdowns were blamed on people not stay home, then not wearing masks, this time the unvaccinated will make an easy target for MSM
If many millions still need to be vaccinated in Canada because covids so dangerous, there's no possible explanation how the numbers are declining...?
The conversation of 2021 lol
https://youtu.be/ZYnV4RogjnI
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Well, I'm no medical expert, but I think the numbers are declining because of the 3rd lockdown ... which was WAY longer than I think it needed to be, probably vaccination rate (people may still be getting covid, but unaware, because they have little to no symptoms now), and also people are saying warmer weather decreases virus effectiveness ... it's weaker?Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I keep saying we are at a point where the number of cases doesn't actually matter. All the matters now is the number of SEVERE (hospitalized cases) ... because the vaccine does not stop you from getting COVID, it only reduces the severity of illness. So vaccinated people may have the sniffles, or feel a little fluish ... get the test, they are positive, and so who cares? The vaccine would be working in that case ... as long as they aren't sick enough to need an ICU ... it's all just normal. There comes a point, where it doesn't matter that 10% or 15% of the population is unvaccinated ... they may get sick, but there shouldn't be enough of them all at once where we inundate the health system.
That's pretty much the scenario in a nutshell..the % of un-vaccinated is a small representation of the population, so they're not a problem to the health care system nor to those that are vaccinated. They'll never achieve 100%.. then again, that never should have been the goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
The Village idiot used taxpayer money to buy far too much vaccine, 400% more than needed. And since it's only 37% effective against the new variants, it's pretty much worthless, not worth even putting into people's arms even as a booster. May have a hard time even giving it away. Very wasteful spending.
Yep they put all the eggs in one basket and they are starting to crack lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Then we have India showing 68% of the population has antibodies without the vaccine.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/india...hnk/index.html
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With no vaccines last year, numbers declined just like this summer with vaccines. Obviously even more people will be vaccinated by fall, so what then will happen this upcoming flu season, will the numbers increase just like last year without vaccines?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Apparently there was no confirmed cases of influenza during flu season, so it would appear influenza has magically disappeared and now it just all covid cases during flu seasons.
We also have provinces open no restrictions, no masks and numbers are declining. If covid is so dangerous how are the numbers declining in areas unrestricted with many still unvaccinated? The numbers aren't feeding the narrative anymore imo
I'll wager if they had tested here before they started the vaccine program in March...they would have found about 40% with natural immunity. The Government t didn't care, it was of no interest to them...they want 100% of the population vaccinated period..even if you have recovered from the virus and have the antibodies...they still want to jab the magical elixir into your arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
Best of luck, they can suck it big time...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Many now are learning it's no longer going to be, two shots and your vaccinated....lol
Ya but a what cost?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
"But in the months between the two surveys, India was devastated by a massive second wave, which overwhelmed the medical system and left people dying outside hospitals, waiting for oxygen or an open bed. The wave lasted from April through June, infecting millions and killing tens of thousands."
With 32% of the population still not protected the numbers effected are still in the millions.
BUT !!! but the statistics tell a different story than MSM leads us to believe:Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
India has a death rate of 302 per million population....placing them 108 in the World..
Canada has a death rate of 697 per million population. ..placing us 72 nd in the world
Don' cha just love all these stats tossed about. Here's 2 more for your non-believers as reported on the news tonight. In the States 99% of covid cases are those who are non-vaccinated. 97% of those who died are non-vaccinated.
Getting the virus, like any seasonal flu/cold will kill people with comorbidity issues. Happens every year. Yet even when annual 'Flu shot' vaccines are available, free, compliance rates are still only in the 45%-60% percent range.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Saying that 97% who died were unvaccinated is meaningless. it's the same as every year when a seasonal virus spreads thru a community.Quote:
Despite CDC recommendations, 55% of Americans don't get vaccinated against the seasonal flu
Many Americans aren't required to get the flu vaccine. [B] percentage of the population that's been vaccinated against the flu has risen this decade, from 43% in 2010-11 to 49% in 2018-19. During this time span, 45% of Americans on average have been getting vaccinated yearly./B]
The way they're talking now, they should make the seasonal influence shot mandatory...wait...CEO of Maderna has already indicted they're working on an mRNA combination Influenza / Covid shot....Stay Tuned !!Quote:
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza
LMAO, Catch any fish?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
You do understand that they stopped testing the general public who has been vaccinated in the majority of the state's ? Unless they need medical attention or death they are not testing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Another in Massachusetts between July 10 and July 16 43% of cases are from the vaccinated. Over 5000 breakthrough cases and 80 dead all vaxxed in total.
If I had little chance of death before the shot does my chances increase now because I won't take it?
Remember where 95% of the deaths came from right? With just a 20% population vaxxed we can save over 90%of the deaths.
Why the big push from everyone to Vax the children we know the regular flu did more harm to them and the regular flu shot was never pushed like we are today.
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They already had a poor health care system add an extra emergency on-top of a poor over run hospital and you will always get a catastrophic outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by finsfurfeathers
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Have you ever wondered why the vax isn't advertised on the T.V.?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Attachment 42024
I have seen it on tv and on Youtube.
The 6 O'clock news are an hour long covid infomercial. Stopped watching it 18 months ago.
Rather refreshing this morning; the CTV news from last night had nary a mention of Covid...one power point slide of the Canadian Stats and a mention of Covid in regards to Tokyo.Quote:
Originally Posted by impact
Old news now...
It's all over the news still in Australia, pay attention or skip ahead to the 6 minute mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46vq4Mn2DUQ
The Aussy's are in their fall/winter flu/cold season..they were like us 6 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
This is what we have to look forward to..come Nov/Dec..It's Baaaaack !! :)
The statement that all their recent covid hospital cases have been fulling vaccinated but one who had only one shot. Seems to take away from the msm narrative that this will be a pandemic of the un-vaccinated.
Don't know where you got that info but again on the news tonight it seems the Americans are getting really scared. Theres an increase in Covid cases, mostly in Florida and Alabama all related to the new strain. Again they quoted of those affected, 99% have not been vaccinated.
It carried an interesting interview with one doctor talking about a patient who was an anti-vaxer and was now pleading for the shots. Doc said too late. He wasn't going to make it. Another item about a pregnant woman who contracted covid. She survived but lost her unborn.
Just putting the situation into perspective for you non-believers.
First off, the virus is not the killer the MSM is brainwashing the public into believing. Less than 0.1% of the population has died from it ( 600 people per million) and most of them are elderly with comorbidity issues or people who are in poor health (obesity /diabetes) or in area with poor health care.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
And most of them occurred before there was a vaccine. The overall response to the virus has been way overblown thru fear mongering.
Millions upon millions of people have gotten this virus and walked away after a mild or an asymptomatic response to it. Only a very small percentage have gotten really sick from it and have been hospitalized.
I don't think anyone on here is a non-believer. The vaccine obviously works and has kept people safer. What is wrong, is society ostracizing and turning those who opt out of it (for whatever reason) into pariah.
Yes, there is vaccine hesitancy. There is always and will always be a vaccine hesitancy in a society where there is free will and free choice.
Just as people have the right to willingly smoke, drink or take illicit drugs to a point they become a drain on our health care system, people also have the right to refuse these inoculations.
About 20% of the population says they don't want the vaccine and are willing to accept what personal risk they are taking. And seeing as they aren't a public health issue (80% vaccinated) or a threat to those that are vaccinated, it's really not the public's concern.
Just another perspective...
WillieBeno had put up this linkQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46vq4Mn2DUQ
Skip to 6 minutes to listen to the info.
Sawbill
Again what happens when you don't test the vaxxed and focus all your testing on the unvaccinated?
Heck even the whitehouse won't tell you how many breakthrough cases there are. Why is that? What are they hiding? They don't want us to know .
LA is booming casinos full capacity not many masks what did we think would happen?
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Common sense left the planet.....
https://i.imgur.com/qkQHcU6.jpg
Yale Professor of Epidemiology https://brightlightnews.com/yale-pro...2_YmaL3zeFNzC8Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
This has become more and more the truth...Nothing to see here Folks :)
https://i.imgur.com/v3VEL7Bm.jpg
We've been living in a "Nanny State" for too long.
https://policeonguard.ca/police-on-g...XZDd1UDhgdbksY
Sounds like a typical day of MSM news. CNN a favorite of the fear mongers...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Sorry Sawbill that's channel 9 news in New South Whales province in Australia. The woman speaking at the beginning is Gladys Berejiklian Premier of the province. The guy speaking after Gladys is Dr. Jeremy Mcanulty from New South Whales Public Health. I found the newscast on Youtube, the old rabbit ears and T.V. are just for decoration now. LOL I'm guessing the fishing wasn't so hot?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
That makes sense. Attempts to scare the remaining holdouts into compliance is expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
There are plenty who wish they could reverse their decision on taking the vaccine as well, but you won't likely see those stories on the evening news.
The real shame is the fear campaign seems to continue to work on the vaccinated as well, as indicated by your post.
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Willy, the fishing was terrible. Seems the water's warmed up beyond their comfort levels and they've shut right down. The evening fish might produce a bit though. Still better than picking weeds from the lawn or cleaning the basement.
GW11, I guess its he said, she said. I'm far more comfortable on my side of the fence because I tend to listen to doctors, not internet experts.
I listen to doctors as well, that's why I won't be vaccinated. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
Have you noticed how many doctors have had to become internet experts because they held a different view? Weren't those doctors smart enough to become doctors in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
If you can interpret the information, the internet doctors are presenting much more believable science than the clowns on TV.
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You're right about that! Fishing here is slow too, I thought it would pick up with the high water levels I might try some fast water tonight.Quote:
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Remember that Dr. one of Doug Ford's medical Health experts, who said " I only read what they put in front of me" HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
Haha yep... I think it was Barbara Yaffe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
One of the experts.
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For over a year now I have been advocating that people make an informed decision.
Yet, some still say that they will trust a talking head medical MSM person on a science board who has never treated a single covid patient over the advice of thousands of other practicing physicians.
Can't save them all I guess.
"As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection."
https://gbdeclaration.org/#read
Years ago the MNR hired a Regional Director for the Northeast Region from South Africa. Even though he was the spokesperson and responsible for all programs for an area from Thunder Bay to North Bay its safe to say he knew next to nothing about Ontario or its resources. This is standard practice in most governments and private industry. Same goes for the spokespersons in the medical field. They're managers, clueless to the actual situation, nothing else. I don't listen to them for advice or information but I do consider seriously the comments mady by ER doctors and practicing doctors that do get interviewed live on various news channels. Well, maybe not so much when it comes to CBC.
Just when you thought the circus couldn't get any more outrageous, Quebec is now offering a 3rd dose (2nd mRNA) for those who need to meet travel requirements.
... and here I was all this time thinking that vaccines were supposed to be about health. Silly me.
Breakfast Television Toronto: Quebec offering third doses to travellers not based in evidence: expert.
https://www.bttoronto.ca/2021/07/27/...idence-expert/
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It's pretty obvious all they want is to have everyone, 100% of Canadians, with the mRNA swimming in their veins. :)
We just had x5 million doses delivered and only 12 people at the vaccination center. Going to be a hard slog to get to 85% double tapped.
Just in time for Pfizer to developed an upgraded 'Delta' vaccine, then we can go stand in line again.
It's a pretty common problem that upper management isn't connected to the real issues on the ground. It's actually the very reason why, while I am a director of two departments at our work, I choose to also be involved in projects about 60% to 70% of my time, so I have my hands DEEP into it and see first hand what the challenges are, so I can more easily understand and resolve at the directorship level.Quote:
Originally Posted by sawbill
However, I'm not sure if you are inferring just because the doctor came from South Africa, he knows nothing about Ontario. I lived in South Africa for a while, and I think it is safe to say, doctors there see in one single weekend more trauma than what a doctor sees here in half a year. Their private care system makes our OHIP look like a dogs breakfast ... yet, their public care system makes our OHIP look like club med ... and they have to participate in both (donating time to both public and private) ... so they have a MUCH better perspective on how to run things than any Canadian doctor will ever get to appreciate. I'd hands down choose a South African doctor over a Canadian born and raised doctor ... not even worth a thought.
I think you mis-read what I was saying. The guy from South Africa was hired for MNR as a Regional Director, not a doctor of medicine. My point was hoping some of the guys on here would get the connection between a guy/gal hired as an administrative spokesperson for an organization, be it government or the private sector, and the difference between them and an actual 'field' or 'hands on' person who was directly involved with an issue.
If a doctor from South Africa or Tazmania was hired to represent the medical association here in Canada, different story.
It going to get tough but I always like a good challenge . Sounds like the unvaccinated should get their lawyers ready lol.
Been hearing a bunch of the this lately about limited rights' if not vaxxed.
Don Lemon Says Unvaccinated People Shouldn’t Be Able To Work Or Buy Food
https://www.infowars.com/posts/watch...k-or-buy-food/
Nope ain't going to get it try and push me out of society lol.
They are paying a [emoji817] bucks to get it in new York lol.
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Places that needs proof of vaccination or negative test.
They said just a few months ago they would not make them mandatory . Some places I see they don't want the vaxxed in not this article .
https://www.infowars.com/posts/here-...ine-passports/
And someone's opinion
I'm staying in the controled group lol
https://www.infowars.com/posts/globa...-their-crimes/
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Any private business has the right to make what ever rules they want. No shirt, no shoes no service and that can include covid shot.
For that matter a business does not even have to let you in if they don't want to.
If I ran a construction company and you asked me to put a roof on, I have the right to say I don't want to do business with you.
I can also say I will only do your roof with proof of vaccination. You have the right to decide not to do business with the company as well.
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Originally Posted by fishfood
Sorry but you have not right to ask anybody about their medical history and they have no obligation to divulge it to you. Go ahead try it you won't have to worry about getting your roof done ever again cause you won't own one anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
You also have NO right in any store.
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Originally Posted by WillieBeno
For that matter a person could say your not allowed on their property without a vaccination.
I also have the right not to be discriminated against.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Also a company hiring a new person does not have to hire you if you have not been vaccinated even according to the Lawyers out there.
My place of work now requires new hire to show Vaccination papers.
In fact I know lot's of companies that this will be a requirement.
Most of those properties are on two way streets.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I don't hang with cowards so no loss there, nor would I support any and all businesses just the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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So if I understand you correctly if all stores decide to require it you will never go to any store ever again?
I have to assume that if you use to travel you have now decided you will never travel outside of Canada again? Also good chance you won't be able to travel in parts of Canada.
I am unsure what you mean by coward? I saw many on here say they would take the shingle vaccine which was tested in cose to the same amount of time and by the way is only 50% and good for only 3 - 5 years.
What exactly do you mean by coward? Do you mean anyone who dares to disagree with you is a coward? As that is what you have insinuated.
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A little bit about MRNA.
If you really want to get into technical terms we can do that.
Messenger RNA (mRNA) is found in all living cells. These strands of genetic code act as chemical intermediaries between the DNA in our chromosomes and the cellular machinery that produces the proteins we need to function: mRNA provides the instructions this machinery needs to assemble these proteins.
However, mRNA isn’t the same as DNA, and it can’t combine with our DNA to change our genetic code. It is also relatively fragile, and will only hang around inside a cell for about 72 hours, before being degraded.
Pretty much sums what your asking, possibly a visual is self explanatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
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This is what a snowflake looks like when he realizes the criminals get to move the goalposts.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
Hero to superspreader lmao
https://rumble.com/vkhr9h-tag-team-w...ere-it-is.html
You mean the mrna with a synthetic gene that tells your body to make the toxic spike protein component of the sars-cov2 virus that was supposed to stay confined to the injection site but is now found in all organs of the body and in particular heavy amounts in a woman's ovaries. You're absolutely right stay away from me you sick mutant life sucking virus manufactory unit. Better get that roof done before the cat really gets out of the bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Just because you like to report fake news doesn't make it real.
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Originally Posted by WillieBeno
Woops there it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
No need to censor fake news, must be facts worth hiding from the flocks. I sense your a CNN subscriber?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Onelessarrow and WillieBeno are welcome on my property any time. I would support any kind of business they run. That's how I roll.
I will do what ever it takes not to get itQuote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
By the looks of it it won't pass the trials what's going to keep it on the pass list?
Maybe after the trials I will consider it but until then not a chance .
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So what you are saying is that with the trillions of dollars that businesses have lost with these lockdowns, not to mention the hundreds of thousand or even millions of businesses that have gone under, now businesses are going to even further cut their own throat by turning away potential customers? Well I think not, that would make zero sense over a virus that has turned out to be nowhere near as bad as all the fear mongering media, politicians and big pharma would have us believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
As an example there are two local businesses around here that I used to frequent and never wore a mask as I have an exemption. The health unit sign was right on their front window stating that there were exemptions and that it was against the law to ask what those exemption were due to personal privacy rights. Well one business made a corporate decision to force masks or no entry and the other one decided to bar me from entry after I had already been in there many times without a mask because someone had complained even though it was legal. Well guess what, they haven't seen or will ever again see one penny of business from me again. So multiply that by who knows how many other lost customers like me and it doesn't make much sense business wise now does it?
Don't forget you can be sure they will be trying to force new boosters for years to come under the guise of new variants. So then what, every year every person is going to have to show new proof of vaccination again? Yea right, sure thing.
The Village idiot would love to have this kind of dictatorship...
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Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is warning that Filipinos who refuse to get vaccinated against the coronavirus will not be allowed to leave their homes as a safeguard against the more contagious delta variant.
Duterte said in televised remarks Wednesday night that there is no law mandating such a restriction but added he is ready to face lawsuits to keep people who are "throwing viruses left and right" off the streets.
The brash-talking president adds that for people who don't want to be vaccinated, "well, for all I care, you can die anytime."
However, more than public hesitance, the country of more than 108 million has been grappling with vaccine shortages.
Nearly 7 million Filipinos have been fully vaccinated and more than 11 million others have received their first dose. That is a fraction of the government's target of 60 million to 70 million people.
If you think your rights are cut and dry on either side of the argument....read the article below. A bevy of lawyers discuss the pitfalls employers and employees are facing:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8070787/c...pany-employer/Quote:
Companies deliberating over whether or not to require their employees to get a COVID-19 vaccine likely have a key consideration at the front of their minds: whether they could end up getting sued.
It’s not a question with a clear-cut answer, according to multiple employment lawyers.
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Originally Posted by smitty55
I think that is what the sanctimonious believe..that their fear of living in a society with an active virus trumps the rights and freedoms citizens have under the charter.
Israel is starting its booster shots Sunday . It's going to start on the age 60 plus.
Imagine a vaccine so effective they need boosters already. How many shots they plan on giving before they pass or fail the trials.
What's going to happen in Canada didn't I say it was a silly idea to fully protect against the virus in its lowest transmission period.
All your antibodies will be worn out just in the for the spread.
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Thanks Canadaman, Right back atcha.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0_4dwF9A4Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
God is the answerQuote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
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https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/regi...zZEHQtG4bcrzO8
The contradictions of these hypocrites knows no bounds!Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
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Shunning the unvaccinated may be the wrong approach once everyone who wants the vaccine is immunized. The vaccine is proving to protect the people who take it by lessening symptoms and the severity of the illness. However, the vaccinated may still spread the virus and as symptoms are less you may not even know you were doing it at the time.
The unvaccinated have knowingly accepted a greater risk of becoming severely ill and dying of COVID. Anti-vaxxer deaths however are no great loss to society providing they are quick about it and do not tie up ICU space for too long.
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A Good Analogyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLB4u-xL5zs
The same can be said for those foolish enough to be manipulated by MSM into knowingly taking experimental drugs that are use at own risk..:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Funny how your first paragraph was last year's description of "asymptomatic spread". Now that's something that seems to only happen when vaccinated people get infected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Your second paragraph is another feeble attempt at fear mongering.
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Why do they need to be quick about it to free up icu space if the vaxxed are so protected?????Quote:
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Asymptomatic spread is the same this year as last. It is now less of a concern to those who are vaccinated but should be to those who are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by GW11
ICUs serve other purposes than catering to anti-vaxxers. They are used to stabilize patients in the aftermath of complicated surgeries. So if you aren't going to get the shots and become infected please don't linger because you are denying an ICU spot to someone more deserving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowjob
Yes, my mother's best friend spent a fair amount of time in the ICU after her brain aneurysm. This occurred around 3 weeks after her second shot. Her sister was just released from hospital a few days ago (blood clots in her brain) after a 2 week stay but it appears she will be readmitted. She had 2 doses of AZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
You're right, hospitals and ICU's are there for more than just anti-vaxxers.
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So who is going to make that decision...the 'Health Deity Minister'...HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by Badenoch
Who actually takes this person serious when he tells the people, "the vaccines are safe and effective", besides his blind faith followers?...lol
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(Originally Posted by Badenoch
Shunning the unvaccinated may be the wrong approach once everyone who wants the vaccine is immunized. The vaccine is proving to protect the people who take it by lessening symptoms and the severity of the illness. However, the vaccinated may still spread the virus and as symptoms are less you may not even know you were doing it at the time. )
Wow, your ignorance is astounding. First you use the word immunized which actually means immune, just so you know. Then you contradict yourself by saying you can still get it, so I guess you're not immune after all. Then you further prove it by saying that asymptomatic people can still be contagious, it's been well proven that asymptomatic people don't have the viral load to have symptoms or be contagious. Not that factual speaking ever matters to you of course.
I got my vaccine and I promise you it had absolutely nothing to do with anything that hat has saidQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
I’m quite capable of doing my own research and making my own decision.
Why is it you assume people who got a vaccine give a second thought to Trudeau?
I get it that it’s completely different than your decision. I respect your decision but clearly you don’t respect mine
Your decision to vaccinate is no concern to me. I could care less if you want to be part of a drug experiment that you assume any and all risksQuote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
What I don't respect is others claiming anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers and people not staying home are spreading the virus and filling icu's.
I've done my research, Seeing I have a better chance of being murdered than dying from covid in Canada, a kevlar vest would protect me more than a experimental drug that's not as advertised
.Cheers:thumbup:
According to the CDC recent research shows vaccinated people can carry the Delta variant and transmit it. Being vaccinated does not protect the unvaccinated from infection it protects the vaccinated from the more serious affects of COVID-19.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/29/h...nsmission.html
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Behind the Masks, a Mystery: How Often Do the Vaccinated Spread the Virus?
By Apoorva Mandavilli
Published July 29, 2021, Updated July 30, 2021, 1:17 p.m. ET
The recommendation that vaccinated people in some parts of the country dust off their masks was based largely on one troublesome finding, according to Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
New research showed that vaccinated people infected with the Delta variant carry tremendous amounts of the virus in the nose and throat, she said in an email responding to questions from The New York Times.
The finding contradicts what scientists had observed in vaccinated people infected with previous versions of the virus, who mostly seemed incapable of infecting others.
That conclusion dealt Americans a heavy blow: People with so-called breakthrough infections — cases that occur despite full vaccination — of the Delta variant may be just as contagious as unvaccinated people, even if they have no symptoms.
That means fully immunized people with young children, aging parents, or friends and family with weak immune systems will need to renew vigilance, particularly in high-transmission communities. Vaccinated Americans may need to wear masks not just to protect themselves, but everyone in their orbit.
There are 67,000 new cases per day on average in the United States, as of Thursday. If vaccinated people are transmitting the Delta variant, they may be contributing to the increases — although probably to a far lesser degree than the unvaccinated.
The C.D.C. has not yet published its data, frustrating experts who want to understand the basis for the change of heart on masks. Four scientists familiar with the research said it was compelling and justified the C.D.C.’s advice that the vaccinated wear masks again in public indoor spaces.
The research was conducted by people outside the C.D.C., the scientists said, and the agency is working quickly to analyze and publish the results. The agency expects to publish the research on Friday, one official said.
Some of the research may be related in part to an outbreak in Provincetown, Mass., where Fourth of July festivities have led to 882 cases as of Thursday. Nearly three-quarters of those people were fully vaccinated.
The agency also has tracked data from the Covid-19 Sports and Society Workgroup, a coalition of professional sports leagues that is testing more than 10,000 people at least daily and sequencing all infections.
It’s still unclear how common breakthrough infections are and how long the virus persists in the body in those cases. Breakthroughs are rare, and unvaccinated people account for the bulk of virus transmission, Dr. Walensky said.
Regardless, the data that the C.D.C. is reviewing suggest that even fully immunized people can be unwilling vectors for the virus. “We believe at individual level they might, which is why we updated our recommendation,” Dr. Walensky said in her email to The Times.
The conclusion also suggests that vaccinated people who are exposed to the virus should get tested, even if they feel fine. (In Britain, vaccinated people who are contacts of a known case are required to isolate for 10 days.)
The new data do not mean that the vaccines are ineffective. The vaccines still powerfully prevent severe illness and death, as they were meant to, and people with breakthrough infections very rarely end up in a hospital.
About 97 percent of people hospitalized with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, according to data from the C.D.C. But scientists warned even last year that the vaccines might not completely prevent infection or transmission. (Immunity from natural infection may offer even less protection.)
Previous versions of the virus rarely broke through the immunization barrier, which prompted the C.D.C. to advise in May that vaccinated people could go mask-free indoors. But the usual rules don’t seem to apply to the Delta variant.
The variant is twice as contagious as the original virus, and one study suggested that the amount of virus in unvaccinated people infected with Delta might be a thousand times higher than seen in people infected with the original version of the virus. The C.D.C. data support that finding, said one expert familiar with the results.
Hospitals and medical centers. Many hospitals and major health systems are requiring employees to get the Covid-19 vaccine, citing rising caseloads fueled by the Delta variant and stubbornly low vaccination rates in their communities, even within their work force. In N.Y.C., workers in city-run hospitals and health clinics will be required to get vaccinated or else get tested on a weekly basis.
Federal employees. President Biden announced that all civilian federal employees must be vaccinated against the coronavirus or be forced to submit to regular testing, social distancing, mask requirements and restrictions on most travel. State workers in New York will face similar restrictions.
Anecdotes of clusters of breakthrough infections have become increasingly frequent, with groups of vaccinated people reporting sniffles, headache, sore throat, or a loss of taste or smell — symptoms of an infection in the upper respiratory tract.
But the overwhelming majority do not end up needing intensive medical care, because the immune defenses produced by the vaccine destroy the virus before it can get to the lungs.
“We’re still going to see a huge, huge, huge impact on severity of disease and hospitalization,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “That’s really what the vaccine was made to do.”
The coronavirus vaccines are injected into muscle, and the antibodies produced in response mostly remain in the blood. Some antibodies may make their way to the nose, the main port of entry for the virus, but not enough to block it.
“The vaccines — they’re beautiful, they work, they’re amazing,” said Frances Lund, a viral immunologist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. “But they’re not going to give you that local immunity.”
When people are exposed to any respiratory pathogen, it may find a foothold in the mucosal lining of the nose — without causing any harm beyond that. “If you walked down the street and swabbed people, you would find people that had viruses in their mucosa who were asymptomatic,” said Dr. Michael Marks, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. “Our immune system is mostly fighting these things off most of the time.”
But the Delta variant seems to flourish in the nose, and its abundance may explain why more people than scientists expected are experiencing breakthrough infections and cold-like symptoms.
Still, when the virus tries to snake down into the lungs, immune cells in vaccinated people ramp up and rapidly clear the infection before it wreaks much havoc. That means vaccinated people should be infected and contagious for a much shorter period of time than unvaccinated people, Dr. Lund said.
“But that doesn’t mean that in those first couple of days, when they’re infected, they can’t transmit it to somebody else,” she added.
To stop the virus right where it enters, some experts have advocated nasal spray vaccines that would prevent the invader from gaining purchase in the upper airway. “Vaccine 1.0 should prevent death and hospitalization. Vaccine 2.0 should prevent transmission,” Dr. Tal said. “We just need another iteration.”
The truth is out..
There will not be a booster.....there will be another vaccine, version 2.0 rollout this fall.Quote:
"Vaccine 1.0 should prevent death and hospitalization. Vaccine 2.0 should prevent transmission,”
And all those millions of doses of the 1.0 vaccine we have left in the freezer are useless. $billions of taxpayers money, flushed.
All well and good but that has nothing at all to do with your post I quotedQuote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
So when you were asked to wear a mask did you punch the young kid at the door like a guy did here in Russell and assault a young kid, to prove you were a man??
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Originally Posted by smitty55
To not be able to wear a mask would mean you are pretty sick and most likely would be unable to hunt. Might wife is extremely asthmatic and wears a real 95 mask and a shield where she works and has no problem. I'm guessing you have given up hunting sorry to hear that.
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Originally Posted by smitty55
I've been reading Smittys posts for quite a while now, I'm pretty sure he's got a condition why he can't wear a mask.........Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
It's called intelligence.
Well A fella here in Russel questioned by a little kid at foodland decided it was fine to assault him.
Does Smitty think that's OK to assault children??? Do you. Sorry but I have major issues when it comes to adults assaulting children very very bad issues. I am guessing you think it is fine?
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Originally Posted by onelessarrow
Where on earth besides your posts did anyone even come close to mentioning assaulting a kid??????Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Like I said before the vaccine rollout they put all the eggs in 1 basket lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
China is still building hospital's they probably just finished 2 or they will be ready any day. They have built many since the pandemic not even in record speed . Just making rooms for the extra thousands of patients. Heard they are looking for health care workers tho lol.
How have we prepared for what's to come ? Oh yeah we added a the bare minimum lol. Field hospitals sat empty more wasted time and money.
Hospital's in Ontario are planning to run at 110 to 115% this fall to catch up on the hundreds of thousands of backlog.
But the evidence and science is showing these vaccines will have little effect come our winter. Leading to more experiments lol. Ouch
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You sure like to make false accusations and slander of other members when they post facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
I recall you accusing other members of being troll when they did the same.
At least FISHERMCCANN taught you some valuable defense when faced with facts and your mouth full of kool-aid...Cheers
Please enlighten me as to where I said I don't respect your decision to vaccinate?Quote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
I said I don't have any respect for others telling me I should have to be part of an experimental drug that is killing people. Not only that but accusing those who choose not to vaccinate, that they are the problem, is a show of no respect.
Well it would appear that the wheels just fell off the covid train. The truth comes out at the 43:30 mark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEChgQ3Y6gw
I bet she's got the patience of a saint.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
You don't seem to have an issue with advocating for experimental gene modification of children though due you? Just another one of your bad issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
https://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...uK8-YuB6yyz4VA
Awesome WillieBeno, The truth be toldQuote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
Great vid Pal.....its nice to see more and more people waking up to the things some people have been seeing for over a year. They're having a hard time censoring, as more and more people wake.Quote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
I have not slandered anyone but you have slandered me every single time.
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Originally Posted by canadaman30
In fact you have numerous times insulted me not once have I ever insulted you.
Where did you come up this false assumption ?Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
A member post a factual based post and your response.
An insult to Smitty55. Well done take a bow and a big drink of your kool-aid
I have to say I would never support hire or spend a cent on any business with an attitude as insulting as yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Explains why you don't run a construction company...Cheers
I did not accuse him of anything, I asked a question and he refused to answer.
That's awesome. They didn't look impressed LoL . How come the didn't talk back hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
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Yeah so righteous but yet to cowardly to debate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishfood
GW you're getting as good at Trudeau at not answering questions and changing the subject. When I was asked to wear a mask I just left and never went back, just like I said in my post but I guess you chose to miss that part.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
There you go again making things up to try and suit your narrative. You sound more like the troll trio here all the time. My medical condition is none of anyone's business nor am I required to show any proof of a medical exemption, maybe I'm just claustrophobic. I go maskless into most of the local businesses in two towns except 2 and have no issues. I've often chatted with managers and owners and they don't seem to be concerned at all I. I always chat with the covid cops at the big IG, they just put a checkmark on their clip board. I always keep my distance, except when I'm going through a cash and the cashier is on the other side of the plexiglass with holes in it. So now I've touched all those items twice and then cashier touches them all too, maybe for the hundredth different customer in a row. I've also had a good long conversation with an Ontario regional manager of a very well known franchise with over 100 outlets under his purview and he accidentally let it slip that he thought the mandatory mask policy was a joke, we had a good chuckle over that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
Btw man, my post was in response to yours. I thought it was a fair, logical question. So far you haven't responded to it yet, you know the part about businesses turning away customers after the rough times they've gone through. It's the first sentence with the ? at the end. ;) I'm guessing it's because you couldn't come up with an appropriate response to my point. Go figure... Instead you come out with a crazy comment comparing me to someone who had assaulted some kid in Russell, pretty low if that's all you got left, excuse my improper grammar.
That's way out of line manQuote:
Originally Posted by WillieBeno
The survival rate from the Delta variant. : 99.9% whether your vaccinated or not...
So much for the sanctimonious...EVERYONE is still a potential carrier transmitter..but it doesn't matter, the virus is no more a threat than the common cold.Quote:
Countries across the world are witnessing a surge in Coronavirus cases due to the Delta variant. According to a report by the CDC, about three-fourth of people infected by COVID in Massachusetts were fully vaccinated against the virus.
Time for Covid vaccine 2.0..coming to your local vaccination center soon..HaHa.
Duly noted, I can get a little salty . I'll go back and clean it up, I'd appreciate it if you could help with the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty55
It appears the vaccines may be more dangerous than the virus..Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
What expectations could be had for a, untested, "use at own risk" pharmaceutical.
At least they have a backup plan
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I think your confused or just like to argue. I responded to your post saying I believe Trudeau and so I got a vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
But anyway go argue with someone else. I have better things to do
OkQuote:
Originally Posted by FishHog
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so after 38 pages, degeneration into bickering back and forth and multiple reported post I think its time to close this thread.
In conclusion your chioce to get vaxed or not. If you do or do not follow the rules as they may apply at the time.
Be safe, be well and go enjoy the outdoors