Open Carry in the Bush

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Would it surprise you to know that the NRA was formed from the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association after the turn of the 20th century?

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No, but now I'm going to take my book on the history of the NRA to see if they reference it.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

No, but now I'm going to take my book on the history of the NRA to see if they reference it.

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I don't think you'll find it. In the first place because the NRA itself isn't too keen to acknowledge foreign contributions to its founding, and in the second place because it's not quite true.

The NRA was formed in 1871 based on the model of the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (formed 1868 IIRC) and the British National Rifle Assocation. The prevalent thinking at the time, which of course was quite wrong, was that rifle shooting would be decisive in future wars. The founders of the NRA got advice and technical help from the Dominion Rifle Assocation and the Brits in forming the NRA, developing training materials, and building their first range at Creedmoor.

The first sport to receive federal funding in Canada, by the way, was rifle shooting. Most people don't know that. :)

That's pretty cool history Welsh , thanks for sharing .

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Originally Posted by welsh

I don't think you'll find it. In the first place because the NRA itself isn't too keen to acknowledge foreign contributions to its founding, and in the second place because it's not quite true.

The NRA was formed in 1871 based on the model of the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (formed 1868 IIRC) and the British National Rifle Assocation. The prevalent thinking at the time, which of course was quite wrong, was that rifle shooting would be decisive in future wars. The founders of the NRA got advice and technical help from the Dominion Rifle Assocation and the Brits in forming the NRA, developing training materials, and building their first range at Creedmoor.

The first sport to receive federal funding in Canada, by the way, was rifle shooting. Most people don't know that. :)

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Good research,welsh. I didn't want to get quite that specific,but,I'm glad you got my drift. This is merely an observation,but,if the Dominion and British associations had have adopted the lobbying tactics of the NRA at an ealier stage,we wouldn't be dealing with the BS that we are,now. 20/20 hindsight is a beautiful thing.

[. --- According to some cops I'd be violating the law if I carried them on my bike .[/QUOTE]I have a gun boot mounted on one of my bikes.

People, read the rules. you CAN CARRY A GUN IN THE BUSH!!!!!
the government gave you loopholes. openly they don't want to say "carry anytime you want" because the optics of that statement makes us look like texas.
but if you READ the regulations, they gave you backdoors.
for instance, Skunk is open all year in ALL OF ONTARIO, so, anytime you're stopped with a reasonable gun in hand, you can always say, i was skunk hunting. assuming you have a small game licence and a PAL.

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Originally Posted by flytyermiller

People, read the rules. you CAN CARRY A GUN IN THE BUSH!!!!!
the government gave you loopholes. openly they don't want to say "carry anytime you want" because the optics of that statement makes us look like texas.
but if you READ the regulations, they gave you backdoors.
for instance, Skunk is open all year in ALL OF ONTARIO, so, anytime you're stopped with a reasonable gun in hand, you can always say, i was skunk hunting. assuming you have a small game licence and a PAL.

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I'm pretty sure they mean hand guns,but,I get your drift.....and so is varmint/predator open all year,at least,in the southern part of the province.

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Originally Posted by flytyermiller

People, read the rules. you CAN CARRY A GUN IN THE BUSH!!!!!
the government gave you loopholes. openly they don't want to say "carry anytime you want" because the optics of that statement makes us look like texas.
but if you READ the regulations, they gave you backdoors.
for instance, Skunk is open all year in ALL OF ONTARIO, so, anytime you're stopped with a reasonable gun in hand, you can always say, i was skunk hunting. assuming you have a small game licence and a PAL.

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If you went waaay back to the OP 1st post, this was about advocating for open carry of handgun. An entirely different kettle of fish.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

Good research,welsh. I didn't want to get quite that specific,but,I'm glad you got my drift. This is merely an observation,but,if the Dominion and British associations had have adopted the lobbying tactics of the NRA at an ealier stage,we wouldn't be dealing with the BS that we are,now. 20/20 hindsight is a beautiful thing.

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Interesting argument, but we also don't have a provision in our charter that provides for the right to keep and bear arms.

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Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

If you went waaay back to the OP 1st post, this was about advocating for open carry of handgun. An entirely different kettle of fish.

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if you go way back to the OP he didn't specify handguns.
"http://forums.oodmag.com/images/icons/icon1.png Open Carry in the Bush

Here's an organization that is trying to get the laws changed so we can open carry in the bush."

however, outside of nitpicking, if this is a handgun specific idea, then i'd like to say that there's no chance it will happen. i have lived and worked in the bush my entire life, i carry a 410 with slugs when i am baiting my 34 bear stands.

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Originally Posted by trimmer21

I'm pretty sure they mean hand guns,but,I get your drift.....and so is varmint/predator open all year,at least,in the southern part of the province.

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fair enough, he wasn't specific in the OP. Gun laws are leaning towards tightening not loosening. there is no chance for this to ever pass. fight for what we have, pushing for more than that is just banging your head against the wall. most of the population doesn't want more handguns, whether it's in the bush or not.

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Originally Posted by flytyermiller

if you go way back to the OP he didn't specify handguns.
"http://forums.oodmag.com/images/icons/icon1.png Open Carry in the Bush

Here's an organization that is trying to get the laws changed so we can open carry in the bush."

however, outside of nitpicking, if this is a handgun specific idea, then i'd like to say that there's no chance it will happen. i have lived and worked in the bush my entire life, i carry a 410 with slugs when i am baiting my 34 bear stands.

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Actually, the OP kind of was. If you went to the link he posted, their goal is clearly stated. But yes, he could have referenced it better.

"To advocate for the equal right for all Restricted Possession & Acquisition License holders to carry a legal registered holstered handgun on rural and Crown land where a dangerous animal encounter is possible.

To educate about prevention and avoidance strategies that pertain to dangerous animal encounters and the best way to survive an attack via all means possible including a handgun."

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Originally Posted by godheadx

So a .40 cal handgun is more powerful then your deer rifle ? Really now Elmer? Explain this to me!!

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I'm pretty sure he was saying the exact opposite.

Regardless, it's not hunting, it's self defence, different ethics, still 5-10 ready to go at all times, more easily accessible then a rifle, and easier to carry. Seems to be the same reason the police have them.

I don't see how putting handguns in the woods is more dangerous then guys with 300winmags and .308"s.

When there's only fudd guns left I'm so gonna just switch sides, and we can all be bowhunters. Maybe then we can not sell each other out.

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Originally Posted by Marker

Agreed, the only people who should have hand guns are those in uniform. The reason being is that those individuals go through extensive testing and training, and are also monitored constantly by their peers.

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Not true, my ex neighbour is a Toronto cop. I started talking guns with him and he couldn't keep up, had very little clue about calibers, actions or ammo, all he knew was his own gun and only shot it when required at the range. He doesn't really like guns but needs one as part of his job. Please don't assume people in uniform have the knowledge you are implying as it's simply not the case...

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Originally Posted by godheadx

Regardless, it's not hunting, it's self defence, different ethics, still 5-10 ready to go at all times, more easily accessible then a rifle, and easier to carry. Seems to be the same reason the police have them.

I don't see how putting handguns in the woods is more dangerous then guys with 300winmags and .308"s.

When there's only fudd guns left I'm so gonna just switch sides, and we can all be bowhunters. Maybe then we can not sell each other out.

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Real bowhunters, or those with wheelie bows and/or crossbows?:joker: /Sarcasm

Unfortunately, every crowd seems to have those that only see value and legitimacy in their​ chosen tool.

I wonder where you got that false information. Qualification for a Police to carry isn't much.

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Originally Posted by Marker

Agreed, the only people who should have hand guns are those in uniform. The reason being is that those individuals go through extensive testing and training, and are also monitored constantly by their peers. Whereas Joe Q Public has no effective monitoring, if you doubt the effect of this just take a walk through any crown land in WMU 87 on a long weekend. On one occasion I counted over 100 rounds going off and heard rounds zip past me, later I found empty 223 boxes. Those individuals showed an absolute lack of self discipline which would only be compounded with the addition of hand guns to the mix.

As a former resident of the UK I can say that we in Canada have the best hunting opportunities I have seen, the hunting in Europe is a pay-per-use system only for the rich. We as hunters must maintain a level of respect and defence against that type of system (ie anti hunters). As part of that, being able to compromise and quietly go about our business will help ensure the longevity of the sport.

Just my 2 cents.

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I don't really see what dangerous animal encounter has to do with anything. Either the government trusts us to have guns or not.....Years ago they did, with certain qualifications.
We could use small guns for hunting, target shooting or plinking, just as we do now with long guns. We had to jump thru certain "hoops" to get the paperwork that enabled us to do this, and some could not qualify. This then gave us two levels of people in a country where we were all supposed to be equal. The easy solution was to declare that handguns served no social purpose, and those short barreled low powered 25 and 32 caliber "hideout" guns a positive menace......

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I wonder where you got that false information. Qualification for a Police to carry isn't much.

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GW, thank you for asking. My comments expressed an opinion based on my experiences, and what I have personally witnessed. I have read other posts in this thread from individuals with more experience than me explaining in more detail what you mentioned and appreciate the feedback.

I will go by what some cops have told me and what one of the firearms trainers for the Police have told me. Most officers only know about there own firearm and that's it. In fact you would be surprised at the number of Police who barely pass the qualification each year.

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Originally Posted by Marker

GW, thank you for asking. My comments expressed an opinion based on my experiences, and what I have personally witnessed. I have read other posts in this thread from individuals with more experience than me explaining in more detail what you mentioned and appreciate the feedback.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

I will go by what some cops have told me and what one of the firearms trainers for the Police have told me. Most officers only know about there own firearm and that's it. In fact you would be surprised at the number of Police who barely pass the qualification each year.

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For a number of years , the local cops had access to our club-range (not any more) . Whenever they had their training-sessions they didn't want us around ; not even as spectators . For safety-reasons they said .--- LOL--- Needless to say ; occasionally we observed them anyway . --- Their amateurish handling of fire-arms and lack of accuracy made us fear for the safety of the public . --- As a law-abiding citizen I realize the need for an efficient police-force but they should be better trained . Instead of paying them for hours of over-time (while sitting in a cruiser at road-construction-sites) they should send them to the range more often . --- For every-body's safety .

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Originally Posted by Gunner 38

For a number of years , the local cops had access to our club-range (not any more) . Whenever they had their training-sessions they didn't want us around ; not even as spectators . For safety-reasons they said .--- LOL--- Needless to say ; occasionally we observed them anyway . --- Their amateurish handling of fire-arms and lack of accuracy made us fear for the safety of the public . --- As a law-abiding citizen I realize the need for an efficient police-force but they should be better trained . Instead of paying them for hours of over-time (while sitting in a cruiser at road-construction-sites) they should send them to the range more often . --- For every-body's safety .

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Might be possible to train officers better in rural areas where you have smaller services but trying to give more training to lets say Toronto Police with over 5000 members is a nightmare for scheduling.Its difficult enough right now to get them thru their annual re qualification.The costs for sitting at a road construction site is borne by the Companies hiring these OFF DUTY officers.I dont see any
big safety issue with officers handling their guns.

Not that many years ago our local officers would be carrying/using their duty guns 24/7 if they enjoyed the shooting sports. These were often the same ones that joined the ERT and other teams.
I remember one DRP member who dispatched two raccoons that we're doing damage to an old woman's house in Port Perry one night. Later that evening he gave them to me for the pot with no reports being written.... Back then most of the cops in the area carried 24/7 around town as the Port Perry station had not been built yet and back up had to come from down south....after finding a land line to call for help.