Electric cars

Even then you won't see Charging stations out in some areas of the Bush. I go up north pass Goose Falls (North West of Sturgeon Falls) the nearest gas station is 80 km's the nearest Charging station is 100 km's. We bring in extra fuel with us. Emergency fuel for the trucks and fuel for the ATV's. I bring 100 liters of gas. To the best of my knowledge I cannot put that electricity in a jerry can. I'm not against electric cars a friend of mine has a Tesla, but let's face it they will always be limited unless u can get 1500 km + to the charge.

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Originally Posted by fishfood

Took 9 hours for this couple to travel 130 miles in their new electric Porsche.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...arging-network

I would imagine it's going to take alot of work to get these charging stations in the North. We did a drive around Ontario the beginning of August . After Hurst I think it's 500 km to the next gas station.
I wouldn't want the hassle of stopping and charging all the time. Long travel will be a nightmare power shortages after storms . Who has time to sit around and charge up to get home . Some places would have to make room for many vehicles all Charing at the same place .

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

Even then you won't see Charging stations out in some areas of the Bush. I go up north pass Goose Falls (North West of Sturgeon Falls) the nearest gas station is 80 km's the nearest Charging station is 100 km's. We bring in extra fuel with us. Emergency fuel for the trucks and fuel for the ATV's. I bring 100 liters of gas. To the best of my knowledge I cannot put that electricity in a jerry can. I'm not against electric cars a friend of mine has a Tesla, but let's face it they will always be limited unless u can get 1500 km + to the charge.

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You only have to have a small Geneartor GW...since you already have fuel..easy peasy..

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Originally Posted by MikePal

You only have to have a small Geneartor GW...since you already have fuel..easy peasy..

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It's a gas engine won't be aloud have to use a new booster geni lol . Jk.

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Originally Posted by line052

The problem with mandating electric cars - is no one has considered the electrical draw it will place on the grid, both in residential and urban settings. Do you think in the next 10 yrs, when the average energy consumption on each node the system is designed to handle the average 200 AMP panels that are planned in neighbour hoods. QC has the best chance of meeting this need, however, Ontario would be hard pressed to meet demand.

This another reason why it is all window dressing, political posturing. It will not be practical for at least another 100 yrs.

Please don't even say increasing Wind and Solar will fix the problem, as we all know it isn't reliable for consistent power requirements and cannot not even meet basic daily needs. The only other option is nuclear??? no thanks. Not yet.

62% of all Ontario's power comes from Nuke now

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Back in 2014 I was the National EVSE Manager for GE Industrial (electric vehicle supply equipment). At the time we had the GE WattStation and the GE DuraStation - both were 7.2kW 240V Type 2 EV Chargers that are designed for PEV (plug in electric vehicles) & PHEV (plug in hybrid electric vehicles). I remember most of my meetings were with electrical manufacturers like ourselves, electric car OEM's and PUC's (public utility companies). Local PUC's (Toronto, Mississauga, Vancouver, Halifax) wanted to know who was buying the PEV/PHEV vehicles (and associated EV Chargers). In parts of GTA the electrical grid is hanging on by a thread and Toronto Hydro for one needed to know where the additional loads were going to be added to the grid so they could prioritize what parts of the grid gets upgrades.

The load on a Level 2 charger is not huge - 7.2kW @ 240V (30A draw on a 40A CB #8AWG cable).......the load is not linear so it is not 7.2kW for the complete charge cycle but it is considered a continuous load under CSA/CEC so it cannot be de-rated when calculating the load required to size of your electrical service. We did have intelligence in the GE chargers so that it would not start charging your car until the off peak demand time (7PM until 7AM).

The largest issue in Canada is NOT how do we find the additional generated capacity (steam/nuclear/PV/Wind) but rather it is the infrastructure that we have in place will not handle the distribution of the additional capacity. All the substations scattered across the city and all the cables on the poles or run underground - that is going to be the monumental, and very expensive, task.

As for the size of one's service that should not be an issue. I, like most people, have a 100A 120/240V service. My house is about 2,600SQ and I have gas stove, dryer, and hot water tank. I run a hot tub year around and I am still no where near my capacity. Last time I checked my Fluke ammeter read 48A & 52A so I am just at about 50% capacity. LED lighting & gas appliances have taken a lot of load off peoples services.

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Originally Posted by MikePal

I think the way things are going the Eco-Nazis will have to advance the 'multi fuel' technology...I'm sure they can come up with a veggie based fuel to power a Transport truck full of toilet paper to Walmart :)

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Vegi plant based. Like Ethanol?

The way these electrical cars should have been built is with a battery swap out. So you pull up to a service station and you take out the battery and a new one is inserted.

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

The way these electrical cars should have been built is with a battery swap out. So you pull up to a service station and you take out the battery and a new one is inserted.

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Most auto OEM's can integrate the lithium ion batteries into the design of the car to save space which makes swapping them out next to impossible. Another issue is the auto OEM's would have to agree on a power source (battery) that can be used between vehicles from different manufacturers - this would take away any and all marketing differentiation they can use to against each other. It would also put all EV manufacturers on an equal playing field as far as efficiency and we can all agree they would not like that at all.

Great summary - and correct about infrastructure issues.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Vegi plant based. Like Ethanol?

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People need to separate the feel good (emotional), and practicality of green energy and EV's. Companies have agenda's with EV's - Electrical OEM's support this technology because they want to expand their traditional electrical market and sell the EV Chargers. Knowing this will add additional burden to your electrical infrastructure they are more than willing to sell you new electrical equipment or to facilitate your upgrade and this is where they have an opportunity to make Millions. They are NOT doing this to be good corporate citizens, they are doing this because they have a horse in the race.

Look at this story
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/eato...da-tour/21113/

Sounds amazing doesn't it.......gives you the warm and fuzzies? Look at all the executives posing by the car and charging station like they are about to do something amazing. What they are not telling you is that they used two Mitsubishi iMiEV's and a flatbed truck with a generator. They drove one EV and someone drove the truck with the other car on the back. When the first EV was getting low they swapped the cars and as they drive they ran the generator on the back of the truck to charge the other EV. So for this PR stunt they essentially ran a flatbed truck and a generator across Canada.......would love to see the carbon foot print on this one - LOL.

Another thing no one talks about is PEV/PHEV's are not for the average person. Look at the price of the cars- they are status symbols. They are designed for people that live in a suburban neighborhoods with a driveway that can afford the car, EV charger and have the infrastructure to operate it. How can people that rely on street parking, people in apartments/condo's charge their cars overnight if they do not have a dedicated EVSE to plug into at the end of each day?

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Originally Posted by 410001661

People need to separate the feel good (emotional), and practicality of green energy and EV's. Companies have agenda's with EV's - Electrical OEM's support this technology because they want to expand their traditional electrical market and sell the EV Chargers. Knowing this will add additional burden to your electrical infrastructure they are more than willing to sell you new electrical equipment or to facilitate your upgrade and this is where they have an opportunity to make Millions. They are NOT doing this to be good corporate citizens, they are doing this because they have a horse in the race.

Look at this story
https://www.auto123.com/en/news/eato...da-tour/21113/

Sounds amazing doesn't it.......gives you the warm and fuzzies? Look at all the executives posing by the car and charging station like they are about to do something amazing. What they are not telling you is that they used two Mitsubishi iMiEV's and a flatbed truck with a generator. They drove one EV and someone drove the truck with the other car on the back. When the first EV was getting low they swapped the cars and as they drive they ran the generator on the back of the truck to charge the other EV. So for this PR stunt they essentially ran a flatbed truck and a generator across Canada.......would love to see the carbon foot print on this one - LOL.

Another thing no one talks about is PEV/PHEV's are not for the average person. Look at the price of the cars- they are status symbols. They are designed for people that live in a suburban neighborhoods with a driveway that can afford the car, EV charger and have the infrastructure to operate it. How can people that rely on street parking, people in apartments/condo's charge their cars overnight if they do not have a dedicated EVSE to plug into at the end of each day?

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Many good points.

No doubt they are not for everyone, certainly not for those that travel north to the bush, but let’s remember that they are a reasonable fit for some.