Delta variant has made herd immunity impossible

The vaccine only triggers the body to fight the disease.

How many 'T' cells it triggers in your body is the only relationship. How well your body will fight the disease and prevent an infection is the work of the 'T' cells not the vaccine. Pfizer et all, say that even one dose will create enough 'T' cells to do that and prevent you from getting hospitalized ..ergo 100% effective.

How well the vaccine works at preventing you from getting the disease and spreading it (it's primary purpose) is called its 'efficacy' rate...somewhere between 63% and 93% pending on the manufacture and how many doses.

That is why even though you've been vaccinated...you can still get the disease BUT your 'T" cells from the first vaccination prevent you from getting really sick from it.

Unfortunatly the numbers indicate in 'some ' people who have been fully vaccinated, can still get Covid (Delta) and they still get sick and end up in the hospital...so far about 20%. or 1 in 4.

edit add: Today in Ontario..x61 in Hospital....(44 un-vaccinated, 10 one dose, 7 fully) so 28% have been vaccinated

There is a good summary of this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXV7i1yxu6c

Been following Medcram videos since this thing started and find him clear, conscience and easy to understand, without the fear mongering either side of this thing love to present to try to prove their points.

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Originally Posted by FishHog

There is a good summary of this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXV7i1yxu6c

Been following Medcram videos since this thing started and find him clear, conscience and easy to understand, without the fear mongering either side of this thing love to present to try to prove their points.

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Good explanation. The only fear mongering I hear is coming from the MSM and government.
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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

IF the vaccine is as advertised!

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Well, so far according to the stats in Ontario, the vaccine does reduce the chance of severe illness by 3 times.
So, I'd say there is a benefit.

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Originally Posted by MarkB

Well, so far according to the stats in Ontario, the vaccine does reduce the chance of severe illness by 3 times.
So, I'd say there is a benefit.

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I'm not so sure, Delta isn't the prevalent variant here yet. Note the bottom graph.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hos...y4ArF2EPGGDszU

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Good explanation. The only fear mongering I hear is coming from the MSM and government.
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Well I guess you don't see the fear mongering on the anti vaccine side as fear mongering, but if your a more middle of the road person, there is lots coming from both sides. If I get the vax, I'm going to die from one side, if I don't I'm going to die from the other. I believe neither, but that's what makes the world an interesting place, we all think differently.

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Well I guess you don't see the fear mongering on the anti vaccine side as fear mongering, but if your a more middle of the road person, there is lots coming from both sides. If I get the vax, I'm going to die from one side, if I don't I'm going to die from the other. I believe neither, but that's what makes the world an interesting place, we all think differently.

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Well none of us are getting out of here alive. The side effects of these experiments scare the stuffing out me on the other side the fear they are perpetuating is designed to control you, so I guess "There is nothing to fear but fear itself".

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So this is why I have been arguing this point ... THE NUMBER OF COVID CASES PER DAY IS MEANINGLESS NOW WITH 83% vaccinated!
The only number they should be tracking is SEVERE COVID CASES ... as in hospitalizations.

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Bingo-alas common sense is long dead.
Plus-stopping the Covid narrative will prevent many to remain 'improtant' .........will prevent many to make the "BIG buck on Covid" and will eliminate "tools" from our Politicians to influence voters.
Oh-and almost forget-will prevent many to earn full wages by doing "next to nothing "which is becoming way of life for them over 1.5 years.

Just gonna leave this here...

https://rumble.com/vkw3wt-more-covid...-to-hear..html

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Originally Posted by WillieBeno

I'm not so sure, Delta isn't the prevalent variant here yet. Note the bottom graph.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hos...y4ArF2EPGGDszU

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Oh yeah, well I understand all bets off the table for the Delta variant ... I'm talking about the current variants we
are dealing with. The info/stats (if they can be relied upon) indicate 3x reduction in severe cases ... if you are vaccinated.