Regardless of whether I agree with you on this or anything else I am impressed that someone with your police background is still an optimist. Good on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Regardless of whether I agree with you on this or anything else I am impressed that someone with your police background is still an optimist. Good on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I think it depends on your relationship with whoever you speaking to. I work regularly with the MOE and have a good working relationship with the staff at the local district office. You would not believe some of the unfiltered stuff I get told, but because I don't repeat it, they keep telling me stuff. Generally though I think you are correct and many/most questions get reviewed by supervisors and even counsel in Toronto if there is potential exposure and/or liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by welsh
I get unfiltered stuff, too. But that's off the record.
It's become a weird world. Ten years ago you could call anyone and get answers. Then they were told they weren't allowed to talk to the media without keeping a record of the conversation. And then they were told they weren't allowed to answer questions without getting approved answers from on high.
Again, my favourite example is the questions on bear hibernation that had to be passed through Toronto, as if the biology of the black bear is somehow a political liability.
Gag orders are protection to both the employee and the employer. NO employee should be speaking on operations without permission from his supervisor, to often a personal prospective are given as gospel. Allot of front line workers aren't knowledgeable enough speak on behalf of their employer.
In some organizations it takes lawyers to vet all questions/new releases to avoid litigation or unwanted media scrutiny.
It is a well known fact that MNR will shoot a dog(s) running dear out of season. Unfortunately IMHO I think if this did not hit the media these dogs would have been put down already.
I know my dog is only a Lab. I know he will run a deer and is very good at finding them. He has never been trained to find deer and he also does not come out for the deer season. When I have him in the bush he has his orange collar on plus he e collar just as a precaution that I am not able to heal him in.
I have always been told as a kid that "if our (your) dog takes off after deer, don't expect him to come back".
I do not like the idea at dogs being shot at that are running deer. You also have to look at the other side of the picture. Our Deer population has enough predators on its heals. Just look at the amount of yotes in Ontario now. I know for a fact that last year was the most dog track(wolf/yote) I have seen in a deer season. These tracks were right on ours from the day before. We had a few come right into camp and drag our moose hides back into the bush at night.
I know I will catch flak for this, seems every thread in here is an argument. I am just trying to paint the other side of the picture for you guys/gals.
I have Rhodesian Ridgebacks. They were bred to run game -- all day if necessary. I was told " if you can't recall and there aren't 8 foot fences, use a leash or check cord or say goodbye". 30 foot check cord for me and never loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by krismerry
Having said that, if tracking wounded game they are single minded. They'll acknowledge other then go right back to track
I agree that dogs do chase game and even cars but sometimes they get killed chasing cars and if a pet dog runs after a deer for a short run that's ok with me but once a dogs learns to chase a deer to kill it then what? Yes I know we can break him of that habit in a warm loving home.
Over my life time I have seen a lot of times when dogs chased and killed deer - the one memorable time was when I was driving up a highway which had a real high bank on my side of the road - two dogs had been chasing this deer and it got to the high bank - it leaped off the bank and landed on the road right in front of me - it broke both front legs and layed in the road - I stopped the car and got out - two dogs came down the bank and started chewing on the deer - one was a shepard looking dog and the other a big hound like dog - I chaed the dogs away - since I had to get to work I had to leave - another time I was ice fishing and up the lake I saw a deer come running out onto the ice - three dogs were chasing it - the deer couldn't run on the ice and fell breaking its pelvic bone - it lay spread eagle on the ice and the dogs attacked it - I ran out to there this was going on and chased the dogs - it was too late for the deer - it was pretty well chewed up - so I shot it - a lot of people let their dogs out and have no idea what their dog is chasing deer -
That's right Joe. As always it's people problems, not dog problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoePa
I didnt post this to stir the pot or troll the thread. Eating deer or no this is what happens to most stray dogs. You ever been inside a humane society? Not exactly warm and fuzzy type of place. I wasnt saying these dogs deserve to die for fending for themselves. If there was no media attention and they just rounded up a couple stray dogs they would do their time and then be put down. I think its sad that some people can be so irresponsible when it comes to animal ownership. It is only these innocent animals that end up paying the price for their owners stupidity. I really hope they track the owner(s) of these dogs and really stick it to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guelph1981