How to buy labour peace in Ontario

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Originally Posted by jaycee

Some people in fact many are doing exceptionally well , all you have to do is drive around out in the countryside and see the monstrous houses being built , and see the vehicles that are sitting in the driveways.
To add to this when you find out who the owners are and what they do , guess what in many of these cases , at least on of the owners per household is a teacher, very strange.

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That is funny....and not in a ha, ha way....but as in ridiculous

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Originally Posted by DanO

PS has just been receiving the wage increases that SHOULD have happened across all sectors. The fact that you're underpayed means we should all be underpayed?

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Most private sector is NOT underpaid. Most Public sector IS overpaid. And it's the overpaid public sector that has helped push our inflation rate and costs of living through the roof.

No interest here getting into the salaries are greener Dan. Will provide some loose general thoughts. I wasn't comparing EAs to teachers. Was suggesting given there's no money for healthcare, Drs, MNR,MoE,so many things. I might think EAs need a cup of coffee more than teachers. Priorities.

Loose thoughts
~Mean household income: 73,000
~Percentage without pension: 65%
~People lose more to taxes, than they spend on housing/food/clothing. These days 43% in taxes for the typical stiff. Back in the 60s it was around 33%
~People who earn 100,000 are in the 10-15% class.
~MS Wynne new "rich" is 150,000
~Trudeuas 200,000

I might suggest it's our govt, and Unions that are pitting people against people.

If the CEOs cut their salaries and profits and paid people in private more, or simply gave them great benefits.

Puts money's in everyone's pockets. Inflation spikes, prices go up, and within time we are exactly where we are today. Earning more yes, but paying more to.

our "economy" is completely based on inflation; there is no "growth" in our economy whatsoever. we import nearly everything. for the most part, what we do here is administration and servicing people's day-to-day needs.
inflation is a given (unless you want the bubble to burst). however, it comes at a stiff price, which is not payed equally now
and I don't want to get into who will pay ultimately during a real recession

Dan Aykroyd summed up the academic's/public sector's tendency towards fiscal delusion nicely...

https://youtu.be/RjzC1Dgh17A

Results to the private sector means, being able to profit , to make money. Most great, humanity progressing ideas, were not done for money. If that is how you judge the world, 'can we make money off of it' , well, the human race is lost.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Results to the private sector means, being able to profit , to make money. Most great, humanity progressing ideas, were not done for money. If that is how you judge the world, 'can we make money off of it' , well, the human race is lost.

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Yeeeaaah....right.

Because patents aren't a thing right? Nobody protects their work, ensuring they're the only ones to profit from it for X period of time before others can...

Innovators don't fall all over themselves for fame and accolades, trying to build a reputation on their work in order to land A ] fat grants or B ] fat private sector contracts.

Universities don't clamor after the best and brightest to land private funding backers, and to draw students?

What shade is the sky exactly in your part if town?

You answered your own question, who would not pay to go to a university with a ghostbuster!

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Results to the private sector means, being able to profit , to make money. Most great, humanity progressing ideas, were not done for money. If that is how you judge the world, 'can we make money off of it' , well, the human race is lost.

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Well, before you condemn the private sector, you should ask who pays for purely humanitarian work - which governments don't want to afford, because they won't gain votes!
Like it or not, but individuals do. Clearly, most made a ton of money (and as always, you don't make that much by being just a nice guy...). The list is actually pretty long (anyway you get the idea).
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/what-we-do
https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/our-work/
My point, the same people (purely private sector) who squeeze every $ out, are often the ones who spend (certainly more than any socialist government would) without ever expecting any financial return.

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Originally Posted by fishermccann

Results to the private sector means, being able to profit , to make money. Most great, humanity progressing ideas, were not done for money. If that is how you judge the world, 'can we make money off of it' , well, the human race is lost.

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Says the guy who defends PS compensation and Unions.

No matter how it's sliced G, govts and PS gets "rich" off the backs of the middle class. Those who work hard so you don't have to. Or simply look at Ontario.

There are sooooo many studies that bear that out. You can't suck and blow at the same time.It's outrageously funny people can't see that.

Middle class. DUO 73k, most without pensions, all of them (except PS) without job security, retirement security, and very vulnerable to economic down turns, claw backs and layoffs.

And who is "shrinking" and who is growing? Or at least immune to downturns?

Too funny.
its case it's not clear. It's not private corporate greed killing them, nor robbing them. It's....